Thread: This is the biggest scam I have ever seen...

Hello everyone.

I just finished up confirming a scam. The events were truly unbelievable. I can't even begin to describe how ridiculous this scammer actually is...

I am going to post a summary of the events, some posts, and then conversation logs. Please give me your thoughts on this.

A friend of mine posted my new HYIP program on MakeGoldForum.com, so I naturally visited the forum and posted more information on the program. Basically I posted what is on my site, and a few comments and details that I felt were necessary to add.

A little later, the administrator of this forum decided to posted his thoughts:

i see its simple site you are doing , iam Admin of this forum and i do care for any member here .

wish you good luck any way, and hope you will do real business.

Also i ask all members to be causious.

Rober Eric

First off, take notice to the terrible spelling and sentence structure. This guy isn't fit to run a forum, or anything for that matter. But anyway!

I sign on to my Instant Messenger programs and am immediately greeted by someone on YIM claiming to be a member of that forum who is seeking to invest in the program. Naturally, I have a nice discussion with this man. Here is where the fun starts:

[07:08] jordandf2005: i checked it on makegoldforum
[07:08] jordandf2005: i see the admin alerted all members

Now, I explain to this person that the Administrator is responsible for warning his forum members of the potential risk involved with HYIPs. However, Jordan insists that the Admin was attacking my program. After this, I took the initiative to contact the forum Admin, who just so happened to be online.

[07:11] mk11248: Hello there. My name is Michael Kovich, I am the Admin of the InfinityShadow HYIP Program.
[07:11] mk11248: Members of your forum have been contacting me saying that you're telling them my program is a scam. Could you give me more information on this, please?
[07:12] makegoldforum: Nice to meet you
[07:12] mk11248: Likewise.
[07:12] makegoldforum: No i didnot say its scam
[07:12] makegoldforum: but i just asked all members to be causious

I showed that to Jordan, and he wasn't quite so convinced.

[07:19] jordandf2005: Donot know how can i be sure of that

Next, he offers to make an investment anyway. Pay attention to the amount:

[07:20] jordandf2005: i want to invest 500$ moneybookers or liberty but iam scare to loose

A few minutes later:

[07:29] jordandf2005: i may invest all 800$ liberty

Notice the random increase of 300$? Don't worry, it gets better:

[07:31] jordandf2005: iam woondering why admin didnot like your site
[07:31] mk11248: He didn't say that.
[07:31] jordandf2005: alot ofmembers became alerted
[07:31] mk11248: I asked him about it and he said:
[07:31] mk11248: [07:12] makegoldforum: No i didnot say its scam
[07:31] mk11248: That is from the admin ^
[07:32] jordandf2005: /:)
[07:34] jordandf2005: still not sure
[07:34] jordandf2005: iam wondering why admin told us to be alerted

[07:35] mk11248: He's just making sure that everyone is careful.
[07:35] mk11248: All admins do that.
[07:35] mk11248: It's nothing against me personally or my program.
[07:36] jordandf2005: hmmmm i have to wait to see admin what will say
[07:36] jordandf2005: il have to ask him
[07:36] mk11248: Ask him now, he's online.
[07:36] mk11248: His Yahoo! Instant Messenger is: makegoldforum
[07:36] jordandf2005: yes
[07:37] jordandf2005: let me ask him

[07:39] jordandf2005: ok iam talking to him
[07:40] jordandf2005: ok i got his idea
[07:41] jordandf2005: is ok

[07:41] mk11248: So, will you be investing today?
[07:41] jordandf2005: yes that will be nice
[07:41] jordandf2005: after 3 hours il get another 1200$
[07:41] jordandf2005: so il invest 4000$ lr

Now - did we just go from 800$ to 4000$? Fascinating. Notice, also, how it took the administrator less than 2 minutes to convince him to invest 4000$ in my program.

Just before Jordan contacted the Admin, I asked the Admin to make a post clarifying his statement. He agrees, under the condition that I send him money.

[07:30] makegoldforum: i will make sticky for you in hypes section
[07:30] makegoldforum: same thread you made it and il give good idea about your site, thats for 30$ will be your sticky valid for 3 months

So I figure, hey - for 30$ that isn't bad, but I still want the problem fixed, first. Well, he agrees that my program isn't a scam, but won't tell anyone unless I pay him.

[07:32] mk11248: I will do that, but first you would need to post in my thread and say that you didn't call my program a scam.
[07:32] mk11248: Because people are confused because of your post.
[07:32] makegoldforum: No i didnot say that i just asked people to be causious
[07:33] makegoldforum: you can pay 30$ now and il make your hypes as sticky and il give good idea about your site
[07:33] makegoldforum: so iam sure alot of members here will join
[07:34] makegoldforum: we have good trust and members follow me

Now, at the time when Jordan contacted him, I asked him to tell Jordan my program isn't a scam.

[07:41] makegoldforum: k t told him

Immediately after he claims to have informed Jordan, and Jordan miraculously agrees to invest 4000$ - ANOTHER big investor from the forum rolls along! Imagine that!

[07:39] stacy20000: helllo
[07:39] stacy20000: are you admin of infinity shaddow?
[07:39] mk11248: Hello. Yes, I am. How may I help you today?
[07:39] stacy20000: i got ur id from makegoldforum
[07:39] mk11248: Great. How are you today?
[07:39] stacy20000: iam fine
[07:40] stacy20000: iam from france
[07:40] stacy20000: where ru from?
[07:40] mk11248: I am from the United States.
[07:40] stacy20000: i saw looking on ur thread
[07:40] mk11248: Enchante de faire votre connassiance. :)
[07:40] stacy20000: but i was scare
[07:40] stacy20000: cause makegoldforum
[07:40] stacy20000: told us to be causious
[07:40] mk11248: Yes, I am talking to him about that now.
[07:41] stacy20000: aha
[07:41] mk11248: He has nothing against my program or me.
[07:41] mk11248: He was saying that to make sure everyone is careful.
[07:41] stacy20000: let me as him please
[07:41] mk11248: Sure thing.
[07:44] stacy20000: wait i have phone
[07:44] mk11248: Take your time.
[07:44] stacy20000: O:-)
[07:47] mk11248: The admin made a post on the forum.
[07:50] stacy20000: back
[07:50] stacy20000: ok wait
[07:50] stacy20000: let me check his post
[07:51] mk11248: Alright.
[07:54] stacy20000: ok i saw his post that realy kool
[07:54] stacy20000: iam at work
[07:54] stacy20000: after i come back from the work il talk to the admin and if its ok il invest 1000$
[07:54] stacy20000: bye for now
[07:54] mk11248: You said you're from France, right?
[07:55] stacy20000: yes but now iam in lodnon
[07:55] stacy20000: talk to you soon bye for now

Let me point out several things there.

[07:40] stacy20000: iam from france
[07:40] mk11248: Enchante de faire votre connassiance. :)

What I said is French for 'Pleased to meet you.' however it seems Stacy doesn't know what it means, since she neglected to respond to it.

Take a look at this, also: [07:54] stacy20000: ok i saw his post that realy kool

Well, Jordan had just told me:

[07:44] jordandf2005: he told me he will post
[07:44] mk11248: Yes, he is making a post now.
[07:44] jordandf2005: yes he said that
[07:44] jordandf2005: let me see what he will post
[07:47] mk11248: He posted.
[07:48] jordandf2005: realy let me have a look
[07:49] jordandf2005: yes thats realy kool

Do you notice that last line? Both of them ask about the post, then say 'realy kool' with the same spelling errors. How could this be? Jordan is from the Middle East and Stacy is from France but living in London at the moment. It's not anything localized! Notice how both of them communicate with the admin and find what they're looking for in a matter of seconds.

Next:

[07:49] jordandf2005: i feel relax now
[07:49] jordandf2005: after 4 hours il invest with 4k
[07:52] jordandf2005: il invest soon
[07:53] jordandf2005: bye for now

[07:54] stacy20000: iam at work
[07:54] stacy20000: after i come back from the work il talk to the admin and if its ok il invest 1000$
[07:54] stacy20000: bye for now
[07:55] stacy20000: talk to you soon bye for now

Hmm. They are both going to be investing large sums, but later in the day. Notice how they both forget to put spaces in words, much like the admin? Take a look at how they also say 'bye for now'. Take a look at the Timestamps - even more fascinating! They leave right after one another.

[07:51] makegoldforum: ok we made deal
[07:51] makegoldforum: i did my part now its your part
[07:53] mk11248: I'm on a phone call right now. Let me finish with it first.
[07:53] makegoldforum: we made a deal
[07:53] makegoldforum: i did my part and now its your part

If you haven't gathered yet, here is what I'm thinking:

Makegoldforum, Jordan, and Stacy are all the same people. This was a setup by Makegoldforum to lure me into believing people from the site wanted to invest, so long as the program had admin approval. However, Admin approval was available only if I would buy it from him.

Do you see what's going on here? The admin pretended to be other people to make an attempt at tricking me into purchasing from him.

So, I decide to confront the Admin, and here is the conversation. Be sure to notice how defensive he is, and how he attempts to turn everything around on me. He also demands that payment be made now.

[07:55] mk11248: Actually, there is something suspicious going on here.
[07:55] makegoldforum: what is it?
[07:55] mk11248: First, Jordanf2005 contacted me and wanted to invest. Second, someone else named Stacy20000 contacted me and wanted to invest.
[07:56] mk11248: They both want to invest large sums.
[07:56] mk11248: They both use the same vocabulary, and both asked the same questions.
[07:56] mk11248: And both of them want to invest later today.
[07:56] mk11248: I'm thinking that they are the same person.
[07:56] mk11248: And I'm thinking you know that.
[07:56] makegoldforum: yes
[07:56] makegoldforum: what jordandf2005
[07:56] makegoldforum: he is member
[07:56] makegoldforum: you can check his name
[07:57] makegoldforum: and you mean stacy20000 ? another person?
[07:57] mk11248: If think they're the same person.
[07:57] makegoldforum: she asked me then back to her work
[07:57] makegoldforum: stacy20000
[07:57] makegoldforum: her nickname is exchanger
[07:57] mk11248: They both talk the same way.
[07:57] makegoldforum: Look
[07:57] mk11248: And she said she was from France, but when I spoke in French she didn't understand me.
[07:58] mk11248: Now, why would that be
[07:58] mk11248: People from France speak French.
[07:58] makegoldforum: no she is from france , she added me since more than 1 month
[07:58] makegoldforum: she investing with some programes
[07:58] makegoldforum: also jordandf2005 he is active investor
[07:58] mk11248: Well, they both said they're going to invest today. So, when either one of them invest, I will pay you the 30$ for the sticky. Because honestly, this is a very suspicious situation and I think someone is trying to trick me.
[07:59] makegoldforum: Look i made deal with you, and now you are breaking it
[07:59] mk11248: No, you're breaking it.
[07:59] mk11248: You're trying to scam me by pretending to be other people.
[07:59] makegoldforum: so you are scamming me now
[07:59] mk11248: You're trying to scam me.
[08:00] mk11248: You are makegoldforum, jordanf2005, and stacy20000, I think.
[08:00] makegoldforum: iam admin of that forum and i donot need to scam any one
[08:00] mk11248: You tried to make me think they would invest, so that I pay you.
[08:00] mk11248: If you're not scamming me, you can wait 4 hours. That's when Jordan said he would invest.
[08:00] mk11248: If you aren't a scammer, just wait for one of them to invest in my program, then.
[08:00] makegoldforum: we made deal
[08:01] makegoldforum: i give you 10 minutes
[08:01] makegoldforum: after that il move your thread to scam
[08:01] mk11248: I'll call the police.
[08:01] mk11248: You're trying to scam me.
[08:01] makegoldforum: which state you are?!!!
[08:01] makegoldforum: tell me?
[08:01] mk11248: Either you wait for someone from your site to invest, or I will report you to the authorities for trying to scam me.
[08:02] makegoldforum: yes now i understood your idea
[08:02] makegoldforum: you are big scammer
[08:02] mk11248: Nope.
[08:02] mk11248: You are the scammer.
[08:02] mk11248: Your trick isn't working.
[08:02] mk11248: Either you will wait for an investor from your site to send money, or you're scamming me.
[08:03] mk11248: And if you're scamming me, I will be forced to report you to the authorities and post on every forum I am a member of and let them know what you're doing.
[08:03] makegoldforum: alot of big traders come to advertisie in my forum and alot of them are members in m forum and you came to scam my members
[08:03] mk11248: I don't see any big investors on your site.
[08:03] makegoldforum: wm-center
[08:03] makegoldforum: he has big site for exchanging
[08:03] mk11248: You're trying to scam me by pretending to be other people.
[08:04] makegoldforum: no iam not pretending
[08:04] makegoldforum: but you want to find some way to escape
[08:04] mk11248: No, I'm not looking for any escape.
[08:04] mk11248: Let me tell you this again, I'll lay it out for you.
[08:04] makegoldforum: i wanted to help you , but are trying to find any reason
[08:04] mk11248: You need money. So, you posted a warning in my thread. Immediately after, you signed on to other screen names here on YIM. You contacted me on those names and said you were going to invest if the Admin of the forum said the program was good.
[08:05] mk11248: So, when I told you about it, you told me I have to pay, so I agreed.
[08:05] mk11248: However!~
[08:05] mk11248: You pretended to be an investor, to trick me into paying you.
[08:05] makegoldforum: Look
[08:05] mk11248: Jordanf2005 and Stacy20000 are not real investors.
[08:05] mk11248: They're you.
[08:05] makegoldforum: alot of big hypes they pay more than 500$ for advertising
[08:05] mk11248: You're running a ridiculous scam here to try to rob your members of money by pretending to be investors.
[08:05] mk11248: I'm not paying you a dime until you prove to me that someone on your site is going to invset.
[08:05] mk11248: invest.*
[08:06] mk11248: Jordanf2005 and stacy20000 - look at the names, they're similar.
[08:06] mk11248: Let me show you more evidence!
[08:06] mk11248: After you posted, he said:
[08:06] mk11248: [07:49] jordandf2005: yes thats realy kool
[08:06] mk11248: Guess what Stacy said?
[08:06] mk11248: [07:54] stacy20000: ok i saw his post that realy kool
[08:06] mk11248: Isn't it odd that they're the same thing?
[08:06] mk11248: [07:40] stacy20000: iam from france
[08:06] mk11248: [07:40] mk11248: Enchante de faire votre connassiance. :)
[08:07] makegoldforum: now you are sooooo naughty and making alot of problems
[08:07] mk11248: Oh wait - she isn't from France. She didn't know what I said!
[08:07] makegoldforum: it seesm you are realy big scammer
[08:07] mk11248: [06:58] jordandf2005: iam from jordan you?
[08:07] mk11248: [07:40] stacy20000: iam from france
[07:40] stacy20000: where ru from?
[08:07] mk11248: [07:55] stacy20000: talk to you soon bye for now
[08:07] mk11248: [07:54] stacy20000: bye for now
[08:07] mk11248: [07:53] jordandf2005: bye for now
[08:07] mk11248: The same exact thing.
[08:08] mk11248: A minute apart.
[08:08] makegoldforum: i donot care to those members......... even they wanna invest or not
[08:08] makegoldforum: i made a deal with you
[08:08] mk11248: Plus, you and those members never type at the same time.
[08:08] mk11248: This is the biggest scam I have ever seen.
[08:08] mk11248: [08:04] *** "jordandf2005" signed off at Wed Nov 12 08:04:29 2008.
[08:04] *** "jordandf2005" signed on at Wed Nov 12 08:04:39 2008.
[08:08] mk11248: Hmm...he had to go. But he was gone for 10 seconds.
[08:08] mk11248: You are both of these people.

Notice he in that he threatens to move my thread to the scam section unless I pay him? Also notice he says:

[08:08] makegoldforum: i donot care to those members.........

Wait wait wait...in his original post on the forum didn't he try to warn the members he stated he cared about? Now suddenly he doesn't care at all?

A few seconds later, Jordan messages me again. Neither one of the screen names would be typing at the same time. Be sure to examine the spacing errors - they're consistent amongst all three people.

[08:08] mk11248: See? Neither of you type at the same time.
[08:09] makegoldforum: no you are wrong
[08:09] mk11248: Ask me a question, type something.

^ I posted that to both of them at the same time. I watched to see when they were typing, and it proved my theory. Anyway, let's continue:

[08:09] mk11248: Hah!
[08:09] mk11248: I just proved it.
[08:09] makegoldforum: i donot understand your bad way
[08:09] mk11248: I don't understand why you're trying to scam me.
[08:09] makegoldforum: Look
[08:09] mk11248: Look -
[08:09] mk11248: you're a scammer.
[08:09] mk11248: You're trying to scam me.
[08:10] makegoldforum: i made a deal with you
[08:10] mk11248: You
[08:10] mk11248: are trying
[08:10] mk11248: to scam me.
[08:10] mk11248: You're all of those people.
[08:10] makegoldforum: scam you for what?!!!
[08:10] makegoldforum: 30$ lol

Haha! Well, as long as you're only trying to scam me for a small amount, I guess it's okay then.

[08:10] mk11248: You are makegoldforum, jordanf2005, and stacy2000.
[08:10] makegoldforum: are you silly??????????
[08:10] mk11248: It doesn't matter if it's 30$ or 30,000$.
[08:10] mk11248: You're still trying to scam me.
[08:10] mk11248: You and Jordan post one after another, consistent with the belief that you would be switching windows.
[08:10] mk11248: What kind of shady operation are you running here?
[08:11] makegoldforum: i have alot of money no need to scam you , but you came to my site and put silly site and wanted to scam members

He keeps trying to turn it on me. If you know anything about psychology, that's a basic defensive mechanism that guilty parties use to defend themselves.

[08:11] mk11248: Nope.
[08:11] mk11248: That's not how it is.
[08:11] mk11248: You're trying to scam me. :)
[08:11] makegoldforum: speaking is finished
[08:11] mk11248: Yes, yes it is. I'm calling the authorities.

Interestingly enough, communication between all parties ceased at 08:11 when Makegoldforum said, 'Speaking is finished.' That also contributes to my theory.

By the way, he later edited his post to say:

this programe is scammmmmmmmm and il bann that scammer.

Moments later, my account was banned.

He's devastated that I figured out his scam, and now he's trying to silence me. ;)

While reading thru esp. at the point where the French input "Stacy" showed up... which took no longer than this::

[07:40] stacy20000: told us to be causious....

I had to stop there and conclude quickly by scrolling all the way down...not bothering further garbage sp ew ed out!!!

Thanks for taking the trouble to highlight and share this with RC Forum.

I would suggest, being in the USA... to throw some if not, all the beans on these crony crooks to the FEDS Dept that handles fraud & Scam activities and you being a near victim giving you right and cause for concern to report them...

Jeez... we don't even charge or kinda "bribe" a member with a soft suggestion to pay for getting a Sticky and/or gaining good words to back it up...!!!

U're dealing with European crooks I'm afraid.

Be on your guarded hook... with HYIPs

YB.

Hello ,

Well Anyone Using My Our Forum Name Would Be Me ?
Our Email is Only :
[email protected]

Then You Could Not Verify Our Us By Sending "Admin" Pm ?
We Have Paid 100's of USD To Members We Are Not Looking For 30$ and even if we are we look to get it in a good way.

Best Regards
MakeGold AdminHello ,

Well Anyone Using My Our Forum Name Would Be Me ?
Our Email Are Only :
[email protected]

Then You Could Not Verify Our Us By Sending "Admin" Pm ?
We Have Paid 100's of USD To Members We Are Not Looking For 30$ and even if we are we look to get it in a good way.

Best Regards
MakeGold Admin

You only signed up here to post that. You're just trying to pretend you're not a scammer.

Immediately after our conversation, I was banned and things of that nature took place. Also, makegoldforum made posts in my thread. You're lying through your teeth here.

You tried to scam me - and you know it.

Nice try MakeGold but you are BUSTED!

Hello ,

Your Problem is with Super Moderator Not me! We Have Daily Active Members and We Got Lots of Members Getting Paid you can check.

you can check some forums talking about us
Makegoldforum - www.makegoldforum.com ( 48 Page No one said bad thing. )

MakeGoldForum - www.makegoldforum.com - Page 6 - MyHYIP Forum ( 6 pages not one said anything bad. )


Best Regards
MakeGold Admin

Booohooo.. nice one! Be sure to post this on other forums too...

Lol scammer forum admin!