Thread: Has anybody in Luke's HE programs been paid?

Well, YogiBrood, I know both you blokes want what is best for all... And marek I second what whatever says... I'm sure that you are a man of compassion and also you are just looking out for the membership. Anyhow, I'm sure you will think about what really is best and not get caught up in feuding of any kind when it is this close.

As my mother always said. Everything will be alright!

You know Michaelr my patience with you is almost about to run over board. You seem to have taken up on you to simply cast bad light on us.

I am not here to ruin it for anyone. This is simply what you have posted, and not what i have meant at all.
There is deeper matter here you would know nothing about!

To the last you wrote. Me apologizing to luke, for what?

I as any was a member of He. When i joined his forum as any member to get updated on the news/situation of he, and our funds, he simply banned me for no reason what so ever.

I did not do anything to deserve that. And when i asked him what i had done? No answer what so ever from his end!!!!!!

I am also one of the few that don't get any updates. Why?, you ask him!!!! Do you think that makes me feel any better? For all i know, he might have run with the money, as there is no communication from his end to me, like to rest of the members from time to time.

So, when i have not provoked, nor broken any TOS on their forum, and a member like anyone in HE 1 and 2, & can get banned for doing nothing, do you think, i will apologies to a person like that?

How would i know that a person like this is doing everything he can to make sure we will get our money back, when
he can ban a person unprovoked, and for no reason?why would i trust him...

What kind of signals does he send me with his actions? Did he even explain himself once?
Is that the kind of signals you should send to your members, and then in returne ask for trust and patience? i would have understood it if i had provoked him, but not even that....

Do you think, even if he gets our money back, that i will get any of mine? I don't care about the $1100 i invested here mate, but i do care about the treatment! I probably don't even exist in his database any more. And for sure his updates do not land in my inbox, like yours, from time to time....

For all these points mentioned above, I have no reason to know, that he is still working on the matter, or has simply run of, before some of you tell me that he is still working on the case.

So to all. I apologies to all of you that felt that i stepped over a few barriers here and let my personal view inn on this matter, but tell me if i have no reason to be angry like i am? .

DO NOT EXPECT me to apologies to LUKE michaelr, when you don't even know whats going on!
You make it sound like he is not a member, but Luke is a member of this forum. I have seen his posts, and so has many others.

I will not remove my post made earlier. It will stay there for you all to see. But i say now, i will not do anything with this matter anymore, so please don't stress any further with this...I Know that many has their money in that program, and if there are people that believe that we are very close to getting our money back, then there is no reason for me to ruin that...

And about being a responsible admin and a person, you should start at the end that ignited it perhaps. I do try to protect our investors, on this forum yes. But just maybe you can look out for me this time?.

I would sure like to see your reaction to this, if you were in my shoes, and had done nothing to be UNUPDATED, left out, removed from the mailing list, and not answered when ask "why?", as well as beeing banned!?

If you puzzle a little with what i have given you here, then i am sure you will manage to understand where this is coming from.
Do not mix BM into this matter like you do in earlier posts here. That is a totally different matter, and lets keep these things seperate to not make a supe out of them.

And at last to your remark about "on the wisdom of casting the first stone especially while standing in a glass house.". Funny you say that, when your post's in this thread after my last responce lack vital ingrediance as facts!... But still i will answer this question for your satisfaction. Depends how you look on this wisdom. I dont know what kind of glass house i would represent in this case, when i am NOT THE ONE THAT RAN HE! Maybe you would like to shed some light on this for me, by keeping your futher postings to facts, and not bring in outside subjects (as BM or other) to help your point. kindly keep it topic's related.

You should not talk about things based on assumptiones, and try to make your point look good backed by a game of words, when you lack basic ingrediances as facts, (highlighted for you above in RED!).

I apologized to our members, i will not do anything more with this matter, and leave it at that! I just didnt get updated(explained above) for some time and thought this is all over. I will still like to see an end to this matter.

If you would like to discuss this any further, kindly do ad me to skype ( my id: rolclub)


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Originally Posted by michaelr

No Yogi

Luke has most emphatically NOT lost my trust and even with your propensity for getting the wrong end of the stick I quite fail to understand how you could have drawn that conclusion from my post.

It is however very EASY to lose peoples trust if you behave like a bull in a china shop.

Mareks post was at best ill considered and at worst irresponsible.

You should know by now that no-one needs a loose cannon screwing up their best efforts to achieve a good conclusion for everyone.

His proposal reminded me of other posts I have seen recently in which people uninvolved in a venture wish to make it their business to attempt to destroy it.

It is in my humble opinion not the action of a responsible admin of a forum to try to take it upon himself to ignore the wishes of the vast majority of Lukes members who are patiently waitng AND trusting him to do his best for them.

By posting in this provocative manner Marek has allowed his personal feelings to adversely affect his judgement.

Perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of casting the first stone especially while standing in a glass house.

Michael

Originally Posted by tupac

Hi Marek, i have been scammed by some of the programs posted in your forum, would you take legal action against them , or not because they pay you for the advertizing? NO I WILL NOT!

At least Luke is making an effort to pay not like the scamms all over this forum

I am sure there are many scams posted on this forum, as any sir. If you know of any, kindly let me know and i will remove them asap.

Did you do the proper DD before you invested with the programs you lost your money inn? I am sorry, i am not responsible for your investments sir.

Forums like this are in place so you can save your money from scam, read the DD people post, and discuss.

Regarding the ads on our forum. Yes,we do get paid, that money goes for programming, server costs, new software, and all it takes to be online.

Read our disclaimer's posted several places on this forum! They are made so you take the responsibility of your own investments and not i. I did not force you to invest in any of them. So please do not make it sound like that! Your free to go to any other hyip forum, if you think they have lesser "scams" posted by their members!

Marek

Hello,

While Luke, a priori, in my opinion that is, has not done anything to necessarily earn my trust, I have and continue to give him the benefit of doubt; however, Marek has had a long behavioral record on this forum as an Admin sufficient to have earned my trust regarding his performance as an Admin, showing he has put forth sincere efforts to accomodate the information and related needs of ex-pips members. Luke's HE seemed to have been plagued by one unfortunate problem after another, which, giving him the benefit of the doubt, could indeed have been just that, unfortunate coincidences. Okay with me on that, but, in my opinion, it is nevertheless arguable that he didn't have to necessarily engage in the cloak-and-dagger, or circumspect type of communication behaviors he has evidenced over the past six or so months as that behavior simply hasn't promoted the idea of trustworthiness--again, in my opinion. He obviously knows quite a few members of this forum, and he is likewise obviously savvy enough computer or internet-wise, so I see no reason why he hasn't made an effort to join this forum and possibly make a relevant post here or there. His friends seem to have an almost religious zealatry to their defence of him, or perhaps seem to take it all too personal any perceived slights unfavorable to him. That's interesting to me, not admirable, but interesting; however, friendship is a great thing and bully for him to have such good friends. Regardless, I find no reasonable ground for getting upset at Marek when taking in context his past performances as an Admin of this forum where he's proven himself a worthy, someone that has done a respectable job, and I, for one, respect him for that job. Luke simply lacks such a record, but that is not to say he cannot or will not come through with his promises. I'm pulling for him to, in deed, come through with his promises; and, of course, that would, likewise, be worthy of respect and appreciation, etc. I may not be as zealous as friend to Marek as some friends of Luke are to him, nor would I to anyone; but I do appreciate what Marek has done for ex-pipsters on this forum. I acknowledge his record of a good performance as this forum's Admin, and I feel it is entirely resonable and appropriate for personal friends of Luke to give Marek as least as much courtesy, or respect, if you will, as has been and continues to be done for Mr. Borg. If this my opinion offends any sentiments, I'm fine with that and do not care one way or the other. This is my opinion in a thread I started; and, for my part, I will only promote a reasonable communication exchange. And I say, now, for friends of Luke, to communicate to him that the ball's in his court and we wait for him to do the best he can to come through with these payments. Thank you.

Best regards,

thelema

Imho I believe Luke is doing his best, so wait a while longer.

Unfortunately,Luke is at the mercy of others too.Any legal action may well prejudice the very financial vehicle that will ensure refunds.

We are near the finishing post.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Yogi
Au contraire!
How can that post be interpreted as anything but a personal attack on someone who is not a member here and who will not see the post or be able to defend himself?

If you now have read my above post, explaining to you why i came to my logical conclusions after beeing left out, then maybe you do not consider this as a personal attack. And if finally dont use facts based on assumption for your postings, and did a little follow up, you would know LUKE has posted on Rolclub before.

He is exorting the membership to distrust him and inciting them to press charges and THAT is what I think deserves an apology.

I have presented my appology in the post above to OUR members, and nobody else, and left the subject at that. But i dont think you should wash your hands with this subject until members are paid what they are owned.
What deserves any further apology can be left to discuss at the time this is over on way or the other. But assuming after more then 6 months of bla bla talk, it is not so unrealistic that the pay day is anywhere but near.

There is also the usual issue of double standards applying.

Depends on what bothers you, and what you take in account besides basing your facts on futher gut feeling mixed with assumptions, to shade the speech, in the colours you would like them to appear.

Whilst keen to attack Luke behind his back he is not in fact known on past form to go up against anyone who helps to fund this forum by advertising their programmes even if the most elementary DD reveals the probability of failure from the outset.

This is a forum mate. And not a phone call calling service, so all we do here is right here using the means we have for communication. I will not call anyone to start a discussion by other means when they are members of Rolclub, and fine members just as yourself, might make sure that the word gets accross. So this is anything but an attack from the back. Incase you did not know, this is how things work on a forum.

regarding the advertisng mate. For this i have moved one of our earlier threads to the archive, for you to do some more DD. We once wanted to take payment for the running of the site back in the days Rolclub started.

Let me say this. The majority of the members then wanted what happens in this thread infront of your eyes to see. If you still deny what the majority says in this thread, then again your using baseless assumptions from your ownself, after Rolclub members deciding the way how we should run our forum!!!!!!!! Let me repeat for you. Its the members will that we did the advertising, and not take any membership fee. So, who would you go to blame in this case. Members, or your own thinking? http://www.rolclub.com/our-archive/2063-rolclub-has-charge-25usd-year-cover-its-expenses-read.html


It seems to me that in his anxiety to please those who would have BMs head on a stick that he is now keen to imply that all "x-pipsters" are tarred with the same brush that he has chosen to paint BM.

This is not true. As you have a past to paint us in dark colours, i wont go further into this then leaving you with, I am a X-pipster myself with many people here on the board the same, but that does not give me the right to lie to my members, just like your buddy BJ = BM did to all, does it? Now, you could keep on with your praises for anyone for all what i care. Maybe its not me who like to misslead people by telling the truth, but rather Xsters like yourself that wish to hold peoples thought controlled by an iron fist to lies, and not let them have an opinion of their own.

Let me ask you this even if i answered your questions, why do you keep supporting the HE issue here with outside issues as Advertising and BM?
Maybe you would like to paint some factual colours for all of us for a change?

Perhaps it would not be too much to ask for the forum administrators to show a little "moderation" and impartiality.

When one bases his conclusions on nothing but outside and selfmade facts from again self painted colours, then it might be that you can not see the moderation your looking. Try seeing it from the eyes of truth, and you might see alot of work done on this forum here alone!.

Less haste to show a judgemental attitude would not have brought me back to your forum to express this opinion and I do not now see it as my place to pour any oil on the water which was stirred by yourselves.

Your lack of respect for peoples opinions is probably your biggest problem mate. Freedom of speech.... Ever heard about that? Maybe i am in no haste to have you pour your oil over hear, but simply have my view heard.
Does that in someway not fit inn with your plans over how i should run this forum?

If you are men enough I suggest that you should show it by making an unconditional retraction of the above remarks rather than try to wriggle out of it by trying to blame me for not applying calming oxidant (whatever that is, sounds like haemorrhoid cream????).
Michael

men enough = sounds to me like some kind of a cowboy speech here buddy. Why are you in such a hurry to have us retract any remarks, when all we present is our version of the thing you fail to understand " The truth".

Your one of your last kind left on this forum mate, and we would certainly like to have you here with us for a very long time. But we would also ask you to calm down, and start respecting other members views, that happen to not share the same view as you. Now if adding any oxidant's would help, like the cream you suggested, then i would not mind if you would do what you think is needed on your end to become calm. We have our ways, you have yours.
Enjoy yourself

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I have edited this quote, and my posts are in RED!
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Personally I think you are both good men, if that is any consolation~

Not sure why what happened happened, but I think everyone is trying to protect themselves or something!
And I don't have the inside info on that!

Hi Marek

Now that you have confirmed my suspicion that there are "personal issues" between Luke and yourself your attitude has become much clearer.

The lack of insight into these private conflicts however means that your words had to be of necessity taken as just the written words on the page.

Your explanation partially illustrates why your frustration with Luke may have caused you to be hasty with your call for legal action.

Those who are aware of what is happening to try to rescue the HE situation perceived your threat as a jeopardy to all those who are being patient and giving the benefit of doubt to Luke.

I am quite sure that your fears of being left out when the payments are made are groundless and Luke is as keen as anyone else to put the HE issue behind him by paing everyone and personal issues will not get in the way of that.

I am sorry if you perceive my words as an attempt to paint you in dark colours but perhaps had you been more moderate in your tone in the first place this would not have occurred.

For what it is worth I am not a supporter of personalities per se. I am a supporter of causes and if I see someone suffering from what appears to be premature judgement I am inclined to leap to their defence. That is my instinct.

I am also inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who tries to stick around to address and correct mistakes that have been made.

To me they make a welcome change from those who simply take to the hills at the first sign of trouble (along with the money of course!)

Let us all now hope that this faith will prove to have been justified and we will all reap the rewards of our patience.

Thank you for taking the time to consider the viewpoints expressed in this thread,

Michael

Originally Posted by michaelr

Hi Marek

Now that you have confirmed my suspicion that there are "personal issues" between Luke and yourself your attitude has become much clearer.

Okay...

The lack of insight into these private conflicts however means that your words had to be of necessity taken as just the written words on the page.

As i have done yes. But again not just words, but those are the facts yes.

Your explanation partially illustrates why your frustration with Luke may have caused you to be hasty with your call for legal action.

I have nothing against you mate, but still you seem to be frustrated with me, for posting facts that has accured with myself. I did not give you the kind respect LUKE has showen me, or else i am sure, you would be in my shoes also, saying these exact same words.

Those who are aware of what is happening to try to rescue the HE situation perceived your threat as a jeopardy to all those who are being patient and giving the benefit of doubt to Luke.

I did not write them as threats. I suggested some changes for those that are in the same situation as i am... But i do understand that it did not fit to well with some of He members plans, like yourself... If you are giving the benefit of doubt to Luke, should i feel threatened by you or anyone to have to do the same???? What is this, a joke? or pure egoisme?

I am quite sure that your fears of being left out when the payments are made are groundless and Luke is as keen as anyone else to put the HE issue behind him by paing everyone and personal issues will not get in the way of that.

When the payments are made you said. And you said well! But until then, My reasons are anything but groundless!!!!!!!

Maybe you dont pay attention to any of my questions mate. You seem to not answer any of my questions for you in the two above posts.. Why is that?

Should i have the need to state my reasons here for a 10th or perhaps 20th time why i am right in the logical conslusion i have on HE, and LUKE? Now that you have decided to become the defender of Luke's programs and problems, and from what it seems, you wish to solve this matter in one way or the other. So why dont you type a few words and ask him yourself.

Perhaps you should look for the logical causes for this instead of stirring the pot around here. Thats would certainly do more good. I know what i am talking about, and again there is no assumptions in my posts, just fatcs..

I am sure you would not get to any other conclusions either if you had been unrightfully removed from a investors community, like myself, for 0 provokation.. Is this idea up for a grasp? Or should we again mingle with words to ask the questions we want to ask, but not answer any that comes back to you in return....?????

I am sorry if you perceive my words as an attempt to paint you in dark colours but perhaps had you been more moderate in your tone in the first place this would not have occurred.

Sir, i just looked up your all posts, and i would say that 50% or more are all else but moderate... Yet, i never exchanged any conversation like this with you, but the colours you have been painting around here, has been visible from far.Maybe we need to look abit into ourself, before we go out and try to change the world...

For what it is worth I am not a supporter of personalities per se. I am a supporter of causes and if I see someone suffering from what appears to be premature judgement I am inclined to leap to their defence. That is my instinct.

I can understand. But tell me please what is premature in my judgement?
Do i have to take it all over again for the 21th time, or would you spare me the need to have to point out the treatment i was put through for no reason my LUKE again?

I am also inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who tries to stick around to address and correct mistakes that have been made.

Does that apply to any others then those you really support, or just sweet talk?

To me they make a welcome change from those who simply take to the hills at the first sign of trouble (along with the money of course!)

hmmmm

Let us all now hope that this faith will prove to have been justified and we will all reap the rewards of our patience.

Yeah, but see you get the updates you need. Can you also have him to send me mine? Things dont change, before the chance is for good, and a change both sides can live with! Dont you agree?

Thank you for taking the time to consider the viewpoints expressed in this thread.

Your welcome. And thank you for looking over my viewpoints once all over again, and perhaps answer a few of them as i missed the answeres to my questions above.. This would atleast show that we understood each other from here on and out, and that you would keep me updated with any updates on this matter , as i was unrightfully banned and keept in the dark.

But dont you even wounder why? Or should we dust that under the carpet, as it might be a subject you wont like to ask luke about?...

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Michael

My responces are in red.
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Marek

I have sent you a pm. You have commented that I should not make assumptions about matters that I know nothing about. I agree.

Since neither you nor Luke will elaborate on the cause of your differences and I am not a mind reader I will as you suggest withdraw from what has become a rather meaningless discussion.

You hint at issues between yourselves but do not elaborate so I must assume you wish them to remain private and that is probably a good idea as there is seldom much to be gained by washing dirty linen in public.

I will be travelling for the next few days and will not have time to pick over the various posts in an attempt to divine what exactly I am supposed to have said in the past to cause you such anguish. If however I was normally perceived as a trouble maker then it would have been me who would have been removed from the investors community rather than yourself. (Trouble makers being unaffordable risks).

I will however since you have asked be pleased to pass on any official word from Luke on the progress of the programme.

If there is silence from that quarter at the moment you may rest assured that there is a very good reason which will become more evident with the passge of time.

Michael