Thread: from someone way back when (Aug)

just thought you would want to read this again so here it is

PIPS INC :: WHAT PIPSTERS SHOULD HAVE DONE!

It has become apparent to everyone that PIPS INC was recently shut down and is now under investigation. While Bryan has not been arrested and is actually cooperating with the authorities in their investigation, there is much speculation going around the internet, in particular, the various troll havens!

The reason that PIPS INC is now being investigated is because of the many skeptics (also commonly known to pipsters as trolls) who have been on a relentless battle to shut down PIPS from the very beginning. If you were like me, you probably (for the life of you) could not understand why these people were so involved in an investment program that they had nothing to do with. Why the hell did these trolls put so much energy into making Bryan's life a living hell? Did they just lack hobbies and full time jobs? Yes, possibly... but I have another explanation.
Most of the people who are against PIPS had personal reasons for this. They had to be losing something because of PIPS, otherwise they would not care. Who would be affected by a program like PIPS you ask? Brokers, Financial Advisers, Investors, competing Investment firms, competing websites etc... the list goes on and on. With PIPS around, there was no need for them! They were fading secondaries and could not stand it!

An uncle of mine, who is a prestigious financial adviser in Canada, responded to the PIPS program the exact same way the skeptics (AKA Trolls) did when I told him about the program. [We have all heard their restless arguments so I will not repeat them here]. Even after I showed him my checks, he had nothing but negative remarks to offer. I wondered why he would react that way instead of being happy for me? I had hit a gold mine.. of course, the mine was not bottomless, it had an end and I knew that, but still. It was working then and I was doing nothing but collecting my checks. So why did he , and so many others, react that way? It is because by investing my money in PIPS, he, like others, lost the business. If PIPS was capable of doing what they do and better, with a higher rate of return, we no longer have a need for them. Am I right?

These skeptics (AKA Trolls) have exhaustingly shaken the program using every resource possible. They have launched false complaints to banks, locale police, federal/state/provincial authorities, and to anyone else who would listen to their ramblings. They filled up forums, blogs, articles and spit their two cents on any public board, forum or website that was willing to accept it. It got to the point that there were so many complaints and rumors that some one had to step in and start an investigation, hence our current situation. If these selfish people fueled by personal gain would have minded their own business, I assure you we would not be in this situation right now.

They would come to the PIPS forum and flood the board with spam and hate mail. What did they gain from that you might ask? Isn't it obvious? Take a look around you.... look at the hundres of websites out there dedicated to bringing PIPS down. They have pulled you there, to their website, where you end up enabling them and allowing them profit off of you. Each of those websites is filled with nothing but ads and banners. Bet you clicked on them a few times right? Every time you click on an ad banner or go to one of their many Google links, they get paid. While most skeptics would have just said "No way, 2%...can't be" or "I just don't want to risk loosing my money" and just simply walked away, these people stayed around... relentlessly as though PIPS were physically hurting them in some way. Obviously it was! They quickly starting building their own websites, their own HYIP programs, they're own investment programs and began setting the traps all around the internet.

Traps you ask? Yes, TRAPS!
- They would post in our forums and we, out of love for PIPS, would run back to their site and reply to their hateful comments, never knowing that we are actually helping them by filling up their forums with topics and making them money by clicking on their ads.
-They would write threads and articles about PIPS being a scam, which often times looked like actual facts. PIPS Members, out of worry, would begin calling PIPS INC for answers, demanding they know more. When PIPS would not give them more answers, they would call elsewhere (banks, authorities etc...) unknowingly bringing negative attention and suspicion to PIPS INC.
-They would make phone calls to the authorities in the USA, UK and even Malaysia with false complaints, often pretending to be members and claiming that they had been scammed. They would stir up controversy and spread rumors like wild fire at every turn and corner. Once again... bringing negative attention and suspicion around PIPS.

These are only 3 of the many examples of how these trolls almost single handedly are responsible for the situation PIPS is in.

Here is a message posted by a member of one of the many troll havens & an administrator of another:
"I will be the cold that you just cant shake.....the stiffness in your back that wont go away...every turn you attempt to make I will have some authority there waiting to Cuff you're ass...I will not rest until you Bryan are in JAIL! you will not shake me ...and my crew..EVER...we are taking you're ass down big man"
Znuff PicPaySucks.com Administrator

"But rest assured they ARE going down ...and I don't hate the world ...Just Bryan Marsden and IGNORANT people like yourself that still believe pips is for real!"
Znuff PicPaySucks.com Administrator

Does this sound like the words of a sane man? What the hell is his problem right? That's what I was thinking too. Well of course, he has a little website of his own (which of them don't have thier own websites, right?). He likely posted this on a very public place so that he could bring attention to his otherwise worthless website.

With all the people, websites, and forums dedicated to destroying PIPS, what we should have done was turned around and launched formal complaints about them. We should have (and should start) contacting their ISP's, Hosting Providers, Local authorities, anything and everything that would turn the heat back on them. Do you know another company that received the same amount of backlash and negative publicity as PIPS has? There aren't any... yet there are thousands of companies/programs just like PIPS! And yet, PIPS still went strong for over 2 years despite all the obstacles they had.

No other company, nor it's investors, would have put up with the kind of interference and trouble these skeptics (AKA Trolls) have caused. Our money.. I repeat OUR MONEY was on the line and we just let them burn the program to the ground. If they were not investors, they should have had no business getting involved with an investment program that they had nothing to do with. In many ways, that is the fault of PIPS. Bryan should have taken preventative measures to keep PIPS secure and confidential. I.E. A members only forum, ISP tracking for spammers, legal recourse against outside interference etc... That was not done, but it's not too late. We can still give these dirty trolls what's coming!


I also urge you not to participate in their forums, websites and programs anymore. You are feeding right into their hands. Find a friendly pipster website and join them instead! Each time you find a website that posts rotten things about PIPS, launch a complaint against them. Send emails to their ISP, their hosting providers, even local authorities. Do to them what they have done to us!
posted Saturday, 20 August 2005

This was a sensible post and carefully thought out at the time. It has turned out to be quite prophetic.

In your last paragraph you wrote

"I also urge you not to participate in their forums, websites and programs anymore. You are feeding right into their hands. Find a friendly pipster website and join them instead! Each time you find a website that posts rotten things about PIPS, launch a complaint against them. Send emails to their ISP, their hosting providers, even local authorities. Do to them what they have done to us!"

This good advice is becoming harder to observe. The forums need clicks for their profits. No news brings no readers. If there is no news it must be invented to fill the forum and of course bad news sells better than good.

The legal strictures of the case prevent Bryan from saying much and so we are unlikely to see much from him until the investigation is over.

He has stated on many occasions what we must do to ensure that there is a resolution to the investigation that would allow Pips to be re-structured.

These requirements are now being specifically and cynically ignored by a few people who take it upon themselves to "represent" the members by 'phoning and writing BN agains Bryans specific requests. I am reading in other forums that members are despairing about what they are reading in Rolclub and won't come here anymore.

Anyone who has experience on either side of how these investigations work knows that every new letter and call must be dealt with before the files can be closed and so one way to drag the investigation out is to keep loading the Bank with new "information" that they then have to deal with.

Playing into the hands of those who want to tear the programme down.

From one room in Malaysia the view must be depressing indeed. It must sometimes seem as if the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

One thing the admin and mods of this forum could do would be to unequivocally give Bryan their full voiced and whole hearted support. A vote of confidence that no one could misunderstand.

We all gave Bryan a vote of confidence when we gave him our loans. That was our decision, our responsibility and we have to live with it.


Bryan trusted this forum to be the platform from which he could address us whenever he had news.

Perhaps he needs confirmation that that trust was not misplaced.

How about it Marek?

Michael

Then why are we posting on this forum?

Fruta Vida?

Whoever made that post is right on. People who that type of hate in their heart will not rest.

In America, the reason would be simple to destroy something like P$#@. If the common person has uncommon means, how does the system work? Education, workforce, unemployment, taxes, every government system would have to be reworked because once they (the gov't) doesn't have control, they are useless. Needed in limited form. Then what......guys like Joe Biden, Trent Lott, and others who have made their living off gov't and its control would have to get a life!

I absolutely appreciate Bryan, his ideas and his hard work towards achieving those ideas. God bless him and his mission,

countryboy1

It wasnt just so called trolls that went to the authorities pips members who werent getting paid also did and rightfully so.

Originally Posted by OICU812

It wasnt just so called trolls that went to the authorities pips members who werent getting paid also did and rightfully so.

Those who did not perceive the authorities as part of the problem might have done so and quite counter-productively as subsequent events have proved.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Those who did not perceive the authorities as part of the problem might have done so and quite counter-productively as subsequent events have proved.

When pips was shut down they were 8 months behind in payments, something had to happen in order to get to the truth. I believe the investigation had to happen in order to get that truth because i dont think we were getting it anywhere else.

Originally Posted by OICU812

When pips was shut down they were 8 months behind in payments, something had to happen in order to get to the truth. I believe the investigation had to happen in order to get that truth because i dont think we were getting it anywhere else.

Got it then have you?