Thread: Iraq/Dinar News. (before Jan.20,2007)

Business Arabia will be on direct TV channell 357 at 9:30 AM this morning. They sometimes have news about Iraq!

Hey guys, here's another question for you: Who is motomachi and where does he get his info? I was just talking to him on chat and he said that there is a rumor going around that the reval is on the 24th and that the banks have been told to prepare. Just wanted to know, even if it is just a rumor, if there is any validity to it...........

Hunter

Originally Posted by archangel

Bush is winning in Iraq


I know I have sworn off political commentary for the duration, but after having watched a more than healthy amount of mainstream media for the past week, I am fairly ready to burst. I think I really know how the one-eyed king felt in the kingdom of the blind. Unless some two eyed person out there would like to point out my myopia, I would like to make some assertions that I feel are so obvious, I cannot understand why pundits are not shouting them from the rooftops.

I thought we were supposed to have worked so hard and elected a Democratic Congress in order to get some traction on ending the war in Iraq. It was pretty much understood by pollsters and pundits alike that John Q. Public had had enough of this fiasco and for better or worse wanted US out – yesterday – just like nearly all Iraqis. Now the Dems are hemming and hawing even on cutting off money for a war escalation (pardon me, augmentation) – never mind cutting off funds for the war itself. It makes me wonder what Democratic Party I was working for prior to November.

It somehow makes me think that the whole country is ignoring the three-hundred-pound turd in the punchbowl.

First of all we are not losing in Iraq – NOT losing. As far as I can tell, everything is going according to the Neocon plan over there. What is the plan and why is it no one is even discussing what it is? I am talking here about the plan for the oil (remember the sea of oil Iraq is supposedly floating on?) and also the strategic bases being built (and the mega embassy).

Some months ago, one of our loyal opposition (I think it was Kerry) timidly mentioned something about wanting to remove the permanent bases being built in Iraq. Well that was the last I heard of such a proposal even being considered. If anyone has an update on any plans to either abandon or turn over our 12 known Crusader castles to the Iraqis, I would certainly appreciate the update.

So here is why I think, contrary to the administration propaganda and the conventional wisdom, Bush is winning and will continue to win in Iraq. The “Civil War” is a cruel ruse. The only civil war in Iraq is the one we probably fomented and continue to fuel. A full tilt civil war in Iraq can only serve our interests. Most Iraqis believe that we are behind the incitements to sectarian violence, including the biggie – the bombing of the Golden Mosque. Whether it is true or not, most Iraqis believe this is so - and in the final analysis, that is what counts. Chicago’s old Mayor Daley, who always had an uncanny ability to malaprop his way to the truth, had an expression that is a fitting description of this strategy: “The policeman isn’t there to create disorder; the policeman is there to preserve disorder.”

That is one of our principle goals in Iraq – to keep the Iraqis divided and unable to create any stable society. The inverse of our adage, so often bipartisanly repeated, is actually the closest thing to our actual policy: the more incapable the Iraqis are to stand up the less likely we are to stand down. We have never intended a “stand down,” do not and never will.

Our unstated policy in Iraq is to guarantee our control of the oil, and keep a strategic military presence at this location within which we can threaten the other key players in the area. All this rhetoric on both sides of the isle is just that – hot air used to generate a distraction from this central objective. Bush and the Democrats don’t really care how many die on either side of the conflict as long as the bases get built and supplied. They don’t give a hoot about the “will of the people” as expressed in the latest Congressional election. Neither do they care ultimately whether a puppet or a Shiite rules Iraq, or whether the whole country goes to hell in a hand basket - as long we keep those bases, strong, ready and inviolate.

I lump the Democrats in this “conspiracy” because for better or worse they tacitly refused to oppose Bush on the initial incursion in spite of their having an accurate assessment of the same ambivalent intelligence that Bush had. I used to think of them as merely gutless. Now I feel they were complicit. If I hear one more “progressive” Democrat tell the Iraqis that they have to step up to the plate and somehow redeem themselves because we are tired of supporting their sorry asses, I think I will seriously consider taking an AK47 to both chambers. I believe that in the case of the rape of Iraq not unlike the rape of an unfortunate human victim, makes as much sense to tell her that she needs to “pull herself together” and like Iraq she needs not petition for justice, reparation or punishment of the violator. She needs to be responsible for her own recovery in spite of the vindication and the celebration of the deed of the perpetrator and the promise of future anticipated violations.

I believe our Iraqi policy was, is and will be irresolutely bipartisan. The Democrats in spite of all their posturing about cutting off of funds for the military and the tough questions to try to embarrass the black queen Condi, they will go along because they are secretly behind the Neocon agenda all the way. This vision will prevail in spite of the will of the Iraqis, the will of the American public and whether or not Bush is turned out of office in disgrace. After all his only real crime was to make the crime too obvious, too ham-handed. When Hillary assumes office in January, 2009, the war will still be as strong as it is today. Nothing will change – really.

I would love to be proven wrong on this and I invite refutation. As I said, I do feel like a one eyed man. Perhaps someone with binocular vision can straighten me out. I am so weary of being right all the time.
MWC News - A Site Without Borders - - Bush is winning in Iraq

I don't know that I agree with you, but what a well reasoned and well articulated opinion.

Scott

Kuna site|Story page|Iraqi cabinet may vote on oil law as soon as this ...1/16/2007

Didn't see this so far on site. Thought is was interesting

Originally Posted by moneyhunter

Hey guys, here's another question for you: Who is motomachi and where does he get his info? I was just talking to him on chat and he said that there is a rumor going around that the reval is on the 24th and that the banks have been told to prepare. Just wanted to know, even if it is just a rumor, if there is any validity to it...........

Hunter

I can attest to motomachi. As for the rumor, it is discussed extensively in the rumor section and derives from another forum. It is not motomachi's rumor. He's an upstanding guy.

Originally Posted by archangel

Iraqi leaders agree on draft oil law
Web posted at: 1/18/2007 7:46:54
Source ::: Agencies
baghdad • Iraqi officials have agreed a final draft of a law that sets rules for sharing Iraq’s oil wealth and aims to bring in billions of dollars of foreign investment to rebuild the mainstay of the economy.

But crucially, international oil firms waiting for access to the world’s third biggest oil reserves will find little detail in the draft about the form future deals will take. They are likely to hold off major commitments until there is clarity. The draft calls for a federal committee headed by the prime minister to oversee future contracts and review deals signed under Saddam Hussein or by the Kurdish regional government, oil ministry spokesman Asim Jihad said.

Passing an oil law to help settle potentially explosive disputes among Iraq’s ethnic and sectarian communities over the division of oil reserves has been a key demand of the United States in providing further military support to the government.

Iraq’s Oil Committee of senior national and regional leaders has been drawing and redrawing the document for months and missed its own deadline of finalising it by the end of 2006.

The Oil Committee, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih, will send the draft to cabinet next week for approval. After that it will go to parliament. Officials hope that the broad base of the negotiating team means it will pass easily. The final draft was in line with earlier versions described last month after a previous round of talks.

A national oil company will be set up to develop production and exports and the law is intended to ensure development of the oil industry across Iraq’s regions, Jihad said. It establishes a mechanism for centralising oil revenues and distributing them to the regions. Jihad refused to say who will negotiate with the international firms but explained a federal council will have the final word on approving the contracts.

The division of oil is a key factor in communal tensions in Iraq. The southern oil fields around Basra lie in territory controlled by competing factions of the dominant Shi’ite Islamist political forces, The northern fields lie on the edge of Iraqi Kurdistan around the city of Kirkuk. Kurds want to annexe the city as their regional capital. The Sunni minority is concentrated in Baghdad and regions immediately to the north and west where there are few known hydrocarbon reserves.
The Peninsula On-line: Qatar's leading English Daily

It has to go thru the cabinet and then on to parliament! Does it have to be voted on 3 different times by parliament before approval? If so, then how long will it take? Aaaarrrrrgh!

thats why i don't put much into rumors....i have first hand already seen how slow these Iraqi people{IRAQI GOVERNMENT}do things....so if.they have to vote on this at least 3 times before it is passed i don't see the RV happening next wednesday like it says in the rumor thread....hope i am wrong.....i think we r close....but they r really slow at agreeing on anything....IMHO...GO DINARS...Pat

Quick question, they said that they were going to start the handouts on the 15th. So we can assume that this has started?

Originally Posted by goldraker

Quick question, they said that they were going to start the handouts on the 15th. So we can assume that this has started?

I would love to see an article on this. I have heard the 15th and the 25th, but have not come across any one who has posted an article saying this.

hey Choochie...Mike{OSW] said that his contacts{KURDS}have not said anything about the handouts....that might b the key maybe to the RV....good to see u still posting..GO DINARS...Pat