Thread: Iraq/Dinar News. 09/05 to 01/14/07

Originally Posted by MOM2TWO

Shiites, Sunnis, and various terrorist groups; it is not like WWII when the Nazi's were in plain uniform, stating who they are and what they stood for. So, these people/terrorists appear as average everyday citizens.

Would any govenment allow the potential danger of giving the "wrong" person/group a large sum of money..i.e. 10,000 dinar. If the dinar was to rv at even 1:1 that could provide substantial funding for even more violence. Yes?

Perhaps this topic has been brought up before, and I am hoping someone out there, can get this looming thought out of my head.

Thanks in advance!!

I think you're missing the key factor of why this needless killing is going on.
there is and has always been sectarian strife in that region of the world.
It's a your great grandfather called my great grand cousin a shiite head a thousand years ago,type of thing.
there is no rhyme or reason behind it...it simply is.
that being said , if you mix in poverty and not being able to even go to market in fear of being blown to bits you have the formula for disaster.
that is why the R/V is eminent.
With wealth comes prosperity,with prosperity comes security, with security comes peace,with peace comes the fact that no one cares who's great grand father said what to whom.
Remember most of the bad apples are hired guns,once they can make a decent living ,the killing will stop, as the incentive will be gone .
Just my take . hope that helps...........

Originally Posted by IITB

I think you're missing the key factor of why this needless killing is going on.
there is and has always been sectarian strife in that region of the world.
It's a your great grandfather called my great grand cousin a shiite head a thousand years ago,type of thing.
there is no rhyme or reason behind it...it simply is.
that being said , if you mix in poverty and not being able to even go to market in fear of being blown to bits you have the formula for disaster.
that is why the R/V is eminent.
With wealth comes prosperity,with prosperity comes security, with security comes peace,with peace comes the fact that no one cares who's great grand father said what to whom.
Remember most of the bad apples are hired guns,once the can make a decent living ,the killing will stop, as the incentive will be gone .
Just my take . hope that helps...........

I agree 100% hard for bad guys to find people to plant IED's for a few dollars when everyone has a high standard of living, The middle East are all very passionate people but wealth and prosperity bring moderation and hope just look at some other places over there (The rich ones) Saudi have problems sometimes but nothing to the current situation in Iraq
Dubai one of the main money centers of the world and the whole place reeks of wealth
Kuwait very wealthy and successful in business and a fairly peaceful place

Im of the opinion as Iraq re-enters the world market with all their oil they will be very wealthy and successful and with it hopefully will come peace and security

WOW!

i have not been on since wed afternoon, seems to be much more positve news and a great rumor out there ,awesome.

the key factor in all the killings is ISLAM is a VIOLENT religion. It accents
death (and martyrdom) and the other faiths celebrate life.

Voices of Iraq : Cheney-leave
Saturday, November 25, 2006-10 : 25 AM
Television : Cheney Leaves Iraq heading to Saudi Arabia, Oman
Baghdad - (Voices of Iraq)
Television "Iraqi" official today, Saturday, that Vice President Dick Cheney left Iraq heading to Saudi Arabia, It is expected to arrive in the Jordanian capital of Amman later in there and meet President George Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
Iraq did not disclose the date of departure from Iraq, Cheney, It also did not reveal further details about the visit of Vice President Bush or the date of his arrival in Iraq.
The News Agency (Voices of Iraq) Independent exclusively on Thursday announced the news of the arrival of Cheney to Baghdad quoted an Iraqi official who requested anonymity

Cheers!
DayDream

This article appears to be a relatively unbiased explanation of the Sunni-Shiite condition....




Sunni-Shiite rift was not always so sharp
Deseret News (Salt Lake City), Mar 26, 2006 by Jeffrey Gettleman New York Times News Service


BAGHDAD, Iraq -- The difference between Shiites and Sunnis is sometimes explained simply as a disagreement over who should have become the leader of the Muslim world after the Prophet Muhammad died nearly 1,400 years ago.

But in Iraq, the divide goes beyond that, partly because of geography and partly because of history. With sectarian tensions rising, Iraqis are paying more attention to the little things that signal whether someone is Shiite or Sunni. None of the indicators are foolproof. But a name, an accent and even the color of a head scarf can provide clues.

Complicating all of this is the reality that many Iraqis have intermarried and that for much of Iraq's history, the two communities have coexisted peacefully. Very rarely has sectarian identity been a life or death matter, the way it is now in some parts of Baghdad.

The roots of the Shiite-Sunni divide reach to the seventh century, in what is now Saudi Arabia, when the Prophet Muhammad died. That created a crisis over who would succeed him as head of the Muslim community. One group of Muslims chose Muhammad's friend, Abu Bakr. They would become the Sunnis, the vast majority of the world's Muslims.
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A smaller group believed the rightful successor was Ali, the Prophet's son-in-law and cousin. They would become the Shiites, who today are concentrated in India, Pakistan and Persian Gulf countries. Abu Bakr won out, though after he died Ali eventually became caliph. He was assassinated, and the Muslim community began to splinter. Ali's son Hussein led a rebellion but he, too, was cut down, in a famous battle in Karbala, Iraq. Hussein's death was the birth of Shiism and started a culture of martyrdom. Each year, hundreds of thousands of pilgrims go to Karbala to commemorate his death. Many of them whip themselves and cut their heads to symbolize his pain.

Over the years, the split between the partisans of Ali and those who supported Abu Bakr evolved into two schools of theology. For example, when it comes time to pray, Shiites believe a person's arms should be straight; most Sunnis say they should be crossed. Shiites allow temporary marriage; Sunnis say it is forbidden. In some cases, Shiite inheritance law is more generous to women than is Sunni law.

Shiites follow ayatollahs, or supreme jurists, who some believe have divine powers. Sunni Islam is more decentralized among local imams.

Southern Iraq was essentially the birthplace of Shiite Islam, and it remains the most heavily Shiite region. Karbala, Kufa and Najaf are centers of Shiite learning. The Sunni Arabs are concentrated in the west, especially in Anbar province, the heartland of Iraqi tribal culture. In Baghdad and eastern cities like Baqouba, the populations are mixed, while in the north, Sunni Kurds predominate.

In Iraq, tribal identity is also important, and many people use tribal names as last names. Because certain tribes are rooted in certain areas, a tribe may be mostly Shiite, like the Saidi, Maliki and Kinani, or mostly Sunni, like the Zobi, Tikriti and Hamdani.

Certain first names can reveal sect: Omar and Othman are Sunni names; Haidar and Karrar are Shiite ones.

Dress, too, can be a sign, but again not because it has religious significance. In western Iraq, the favored headdress is white and red; in the south it is white and black.

Historians say Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq have had periods of peace and conflict. Saddam Hussein exacerbated the rivalry, most notably after 1991, when Shiites in the south revolted and he used predominantly Sunni tribes to crush them.

Nearly 60 percent of Iraq's population of some 25 million are Shiite, with Sunni Arabs and Sunni Kurds making up roughly 40 percent.

Originally Posted by shotgunsusie

considering the end of their year is about dec. 15 or so i would say we are upon it. and the rate is almost down to there. did someone want to know what their target rate was? there you have it, 1350. when it drops down to there were gonna see the revalue. u ready??? woOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's keep in mind this is Iraq and they are not known for following the plan....don't be surprised if this revalues in the next day or sooooo!!! They already screwed up the December meeting which would give them full revenue control.....although it is a good thing that they are still being watched over for corruption etc. This in no way would hinder a reval so I am not concerned....But I am still holding out for tomorrow.....

Originally Posted by pogo

This article appears to be a relatively unbiased explanation of the Sunni-Shiite condition....




Sunni-Shiite rift was not always so sharp
Deseret News (Salt Lake City), Mar 26, 2006 by Jeffrey Gettleman New York Times News Service


BAGHDAD, Iraq -- The difference between Shiites and Sunnis is sometimes explained simply as a disagreement over who should have become the leader of the Muslim world after the Prophet Muhammad died nearly 1,400 years ago.

But in Iraq, the divide goes beyond that, partly because of geography and partly because of history. With sectarian tensions rising, Iraqis are paying more attention to the little things that signal whether someone is Shiite or Sunni. None of the indicators are foolproof. But a name, an accent and even the color of a head scarf can provide clues.

Complicating all of this is the reality that many Iraqis have intermarried and that for much of Iraq's history, the two communities have coexisted peacefully. Very rarely has sectarian identity been a life or death matter, the way it is now in some parts of Baghdad.

The roots of the Shiite-Sunni divide reach to the seventh century, in what is now Saudi Arabia, when the Prophet Muhammad died. That created a crisis over who would succeed him as head of the Muslim community. One group of Muslims chose Muhammad's friend, Abu Bakr. They would become the Sunnis, the vast majority of the world's Muslims.
Advertisement

A smaller group believed the rightful successor was Ali, the Prophet's son-in-law and cousin. They would become the Shiites, who today are concentrated in India, Pakistan and Persian Gulf countries. Abu Bakr won out, though after he died Ali eventually became caliph. He was assassinated, and the Muslim community began to splinter. Ali's son Hussein led a rebellion but he, too, was cut down, in a famous battle in Karbala, Iraq. Hussein's death was the birth of Shiism and started a culture of martyrdom. Each year, hundreds of thousands of pilgrims go to Karbala to commemorate his death. Many of them whip themselves and cut their heads to symbolize his pain.

Over the years, the split between the partisans of Ali and those who supported Abu Bakr evolved into two schools of theology. For example, when it comes time to pray, Shiites believe a person's arms should be straight; most Sunnis say they should be crossed. Shiites allow temporary marriage; Sunnis say it is forbidden. In some cases, Shiite inheritance law is more generous to women than is Sunni law.

Shiites follow ayatollahs, or supreme jurists, who some believe have divine powers. Sunni Islam is more decentralized among local imams.

Southern Iraq was essentially the birthplace of Shiite Islam, and it remains the most heavily Shiite region. Karbala, Kufa and Najaf are centers of Shiite learning. The Sunni Arabs are concentrated in the west, especially in Anbar province, the heartland of Iraqi tribal culture. In Baghdad and eastern cities like Baqouba, the populations are mixed, while in the north, Sunni Kurds predominate.

In Iraq, tribal identity is also important, and many people use tribal names as last names. Because certain tribes are rooted in certain areas, a tribe may be mostly Shiite, like the Saidi, Maliki and Kinani, or mostly Sunni, like the Zobi, Tikriti and Hamdani.

Certain first names can reveal sect: Omar and Othman are Sunni names; Haidar and Karrar are Shiite ones.

Dress, too, can be a sign, but again not because it has religious significance. In western Iraq, the favored headdress is white and red; in the south it is white and black.

Historians say Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq have had periods of peace and conflict. Saddam Hussein exacerbated the rivalry, most notably after 1991, when Shiites in the south revolted and he used predominantly Sunni tribes to crush them.

Nearly 60 percent of Iraq's population of some 25 million are Shiite, with Sunni Arabs and Sunni Kurds making up roughly 40 percent.

Thanks! I book-marked this for future reference. What a great brief hx of this schism!

Big Beaut, hey guys is this pertaining to dinar? I hate to be a hardnose but if you read Nenos first page here, he has requested DINAR news and Links ONLY. lets all help Neno out here, and try hard to keep these Informative and interesting articles in the proper place. It is very good information on shite and Sunnie differences but I see no links to IRAQI DINAR Nor information regaurding the Dinar Movement. Neno's time is precious also/. Lets all try to keep the posts in the proper forums Thanks BOB

The Special Committee of the Arab League on Iraq, meet in

(Voice of Iraq) - 11-25-2006
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The Special Committee of the Arab League on Iraq, meet in Cairo

Cairo - The Voice of Iraq - Ibrahim Mohammad Sharif

The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Ahmed Ben Hali, today, Saturday, that the Special Committee of the Arab League on Iraq, which includes ten countries will hold a meeting on the 5th of December December 2006 next to the level of foreign ministers in Cairo. The permanent representative of Egypt to the Arab League, Hani otherwise in an exclusive today, Saturday, following an emergency meeting of the university council at the level of delegates that the Arab ministers have ten strong demands from the Arab countries to all Iraqi factions and forces to stop the bloodshed in Iraq impeding all vision to build a safe and stable.

And Tekarrhtaalajtmae after the escalation of sectarian violence in Iraq, especially the impact of the blasts that led to the deaths of more than two hundred people in Sadr City, with a Shiite majority in Baghdad yesterday, Thursday.

And it is worth Balfkran Special Commission in Iraq includes the foreign ministers of Iraq and Syria, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Jordan, Egypt, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Sudan, in addition to a Amr Moussa, Secretary-General of the Arab League.