Thread: Iraq/Dinar News. 09/05 to 01/14/07

Originally Posted by cigarman

So your saying that if Bill Gates cashed out he would take 1/12th of our whole nations money in circulation? I have a problem with people spouting off about M1, M2, M3 amounts and how the USA,s GDP is this or that. How in the world can the USA only have 300 billion in circulation if 1/2 the world uses it? I'm no financial expert but somewhere down the line we're being lied to.

You are right on the money again cigarman. Keep on posting man.

Originally Posted by Wm.Knowles

But as I have said earlier, we HAVE gone from an "if" it will RV, to a "it is Rving and how high will it go and how fast".

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Mike5200

Iraqi Ambassabor Accuses Iranian Minister of Hipocrisy Over U.S. Criticisms

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BAGHDAD, Iraq, 08 December 2006 (Associated Press)
Iraq's ambassador to the Netherlands confronted Iran's foreign minister during a speech Wednesday, accusing his country of hypocrisy in its rhetoric against the United States.

It was a rare exchange between officials of the neighboring states, which fought an eight-year war against one another in the 1980s.

The incident occurred after Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki complained during an address to scholars and diplomats at the Clingendael Institute, an international relations think-tank, that it would be a double standard if the U.N. Security Council imposed sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program.

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Iran has insisted on its right to enrich uranium for what it says is a peaceful energy program.

"The U.S. administration so often refers to Iran's nuclear capability as a threat against regional and international peace," Mottaki said. But "it is the U.S. that ... invaded without any endorsement of the U.N. Security Council, another member of the United Nations, namely Iraq, and so has set off the most dangerous security challenge in the Middle East."

Mottaki said the endless cycle of violence in Iraq is being fueled by the continued U.S. troop presence in the country.

"The terrorist group in Iraq says, 'Because of the continuation of the occupation of this country, we are fighting,"' he said. "The American says, 'Because of terrorist groups, we continue our staying in Iraq."'

Iraqi Ambassador Siamand Banaa then rose to contradict him, saying that Iran had benefited from the war in Iraq.

"It would strengthen your case and give it much more depth if you tried to avoid cynicism and hypocrisy," Banaa said. "The removal of the worst enemy of the Iraqi people and the Iranian people, Saddam Hussein, who caused the death and destruction of hundreds of thousands and almost the bankruptcy of your country, has been, I think, a great advance for you."

Banaa said Mottaki's analysis was wrong, and that without American troops in his country, "it would be a free-for-all, and in fact real civil war."

He urged Mottaki to get off "the 'America always wrong' brigade."

Mottaki responded by assuring that Iran supports the territorial integrity of Iraq and wants it to return to peace. "Stability in Iraq is stability for Iran, and all its neighboring countries and all the region," he said.

Ohhhhhhh Snap... Now here is one Iraqi that I would love to meet and shake his hand. Thank you Mr. Banaa, well said.

Originally Posted by danny51

I bet you have to answer to that wife (or wives) in those 3 homes!!

Just one and we are more on a life relationship than wife. No It's all soul.

Originally Posted by Inscrutable

Just one and we are more on a life relationship than wife. No It's all soul.

So, um you are swingers, eh? ...........

Originally Posted by TerryTate

Well hmm, based on this kind of math then Iraq could never have had trillions of Dinar in circulation and had a tradeable value of anything worth over 1 U.S. cent, but hmm Iraq did have 4.5 trillion dinar in circulation worth at least $0.33 dollars on the black market under Saddam, with an official rate set by Saddam over a $1. Gee, and the oil production wasn't much better than today, Iraq suffered from sanctions and was pretty much without hope. Hmm, gee things just look so bleak.......NOT.

Lighten up folks, things are going the right direction, whether it is slow or fast. This isn't a 30 minute sitcom where everything is wrapped up nice and neat with a pretty little bow with some warm milk and cookies. The fact is that none of us knows how they are gonna pull this off, so sit back and enjoy getting to see something that most people won't even realize is happening. You have a front row seat. Enjoy it.

It's even more amazing when you consider this plum. According to the IMF there was 6.1 trillion dinar exchanged out in 2003. See page 9 box 1 titled currency exchange.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/...04/cr04325.pdf

Originally Posted by Wm.Knowles

Lets forget the IiF. Lets go back to being kind, determined and optimsitic. You guys are better than this. thanks.

I am getting pm after pm on this. So please leave the Misery with the Misery. Not wanted here anylonger. I will delete anything else from there. One of Rolclubs rules is to not bring anything copied from other Forums and not to take here there as well. In the TOS rules. http://www.rolclub.com/rolclub-rules...rules-tos.html Thanks.

SORRY I JUST COULDN'T STAY AWAY UNTIL TOMORROW......This just posted on the news site. This is uplifting so if you don't like the good stuff then don't read it...WOOOOT!!!

Contingency plans to deal with the collapse of the situation in Iraq and the risks

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Contingency plans to deal with the collapse of the situation in Iraq and the dangers of Iranian nuclear activities
Riyadh-Suleiman Nimr, Bader Al Mutawa life-09 / 12 / 06 / /

Obtained «life» on the most prominent recommendations submitted to the Supreme Council for the Gulf Cooperation Council states for the Arab Gulf States, especially in the-�-security and economic, which calls upon the recommendations of security cooperation Gulf joint, to strengthen security cooperation and intelligence, and to strengthen the control of sources of funding, and develop contingency plans for dealing with the repercussions of the collapse of the security situation in Iraq, and the potential risks from with these implications, as well as to develop programs to face any possibilities of environmental risks might arise from Iranian nuclear activities, as well as ways and plans of the activation of resolutions and joint mechanisms to combat terrorism, namely :

A-at the level of dealing with the repercussions of the aggravation of the situation in Iraq, provides recommendations that, in the light of crumbling situation and security degeneration in Iraq, and its repercussions on the states of the Council, what is required is directing security organs concerned to work to develop a joint work plan, to face the repercussions of those situations (human displacement, terrorist and criminal action, the smuggling of weapons and explosives and drugs infiltrate), through the preparation of a plan or contingency plans, taking advantage of the procedures and mechanisms reporting institutions in this regard, the protection of the domestic front, but fortify the from any implications as sectarian because of the occurrence of a civil war, as well as joint coordination in to protect the border of the Council States with Iraq.

B-in the area of cooperation in the fight against terrorism : the activation of resolutions and joint mechanisms to combat terrorism, including :

One-use and interior ministries in the Council of fiber optic cable, to connect the rooms of the Ministries of Interior, to ensure the rapid and confidential exchange of information.

Two-urged the institutions of civil society and all relevant authorities, to play its role in facing terrorism, a phenomenon intellectual.

Three-support all regional and international efforts aimed at identifying the concept and the common definition of terrorism.

Four-use of conferences and symposia to be held regionally and internationally to discuss and study the phenomenon of terrorism, and that through participation, and the activation of the results of their work and recommendations.

5-Urge Member States that have not yet ratified the agreement states of the Gulf Cooperation Council, the Arab Gulf states to fight terrorism, to speed up the ratification To activate between all Member States.

6-Urge bodies and the bodies responsible for issuing smart card in the Member States, which had not yet issued, to speed up the issuance.

It also provides recommendations on the adoption of programs to continue the curriculum reform, and entrenching the concept of moderation, and to strengthen the spirit of citizenship, for the sake of national loyalty over everything else, and pass laws punitive measures.

C-in the face of potential environmental hazards, as a result of the Iranian nuclear activity, calling recommendations to :

1-directing specialized committees (national committees of emergency and crisis, the civil defense, the Border Guard and Coast Guard), and others, to activate the resolutions and evaluating strategic plans, and the intensification of joint exercises and training programs, and developing them to cope with a worst-case scenario and the consequences of the risks that might arise from nuclear and radiological disaster.

Two-work to intensify the development of joint plans and strategies, with the organs and other relevant bodies to deal with all eventualities.

3. Benefit from the results of the work and recommendations of conferences and symposia, which examines the risks of disasters and nuclear reactors, and how to confront them and deal with them.

On the economic side, Al «life» that the recommendations submitted from the Committee Financial and Economic Cooperation (the Ministers of Finance and economy), containing suggestions in an expeditious in removing obstacles facing the process of economic integration, of the Customs Union and the Gulf Common Market and the monetary union, also has approved a timetable for completing the requirements of the customs union of the States of the Council, that includes addressing the remaining difficulties or obstacles facing the customs union, and has mandated the Committee on Customs Union and other committees speeds of to finalize these topics in sufficient time before the expiration of the transitional period the end of in 2007.

And on the Gulf market, the Commission recommended the following :

1-update decisions of the Supreme Council of the Gulf common market before the end of 2007, by issuing resolutions providing for the achievement of full equality of treatment in the areas that have not been issued by the decisions of the Supreme Council, or issued by the decisions contained some controls, limitations or exceptions that limit the achievement of full equality.

Update 2-issuing executive decisions in each of the GCC countries, to implement the decisions of the Supreme Council of the Gulf common market.

3-establish the necessary mechanisms to enable Gulf citizens to take advantage of the Agreement and the economic decisions of the Supreme Council of the Gulf common market.

4-committee was assigned the Gulf Common Market and the follow-up and evaluation of the implementation of the decisions relating to economic citizenship and the benefit to the citizens of the GCC countries and discuss any complaints against them due to lack of implementation and identify the obstacles to the level of States, collectively and individually.

As for monetary union, has agreed to the financial and economic cooperation on the opinion of the Committee of Governors that the monetary union and issuing the common currency by the agreed deadline in 2010 requires the following :

1-Adoption of the pace of the monetary union shows the institutional and legislative requirements him.

2-emphasized that the achievement of monetary union requires sovereign decisions should expedite the issuance including the delegation of the conservative powers necessary to prepare for the establishment of the monetary union such as the agreement to indefinitely currency and design, production and the establishment of the institutions necessary for this.

Three-quarters and the need to support existing committees to prepare for the establishment of the monetary union and support the European monetary unit in the Secretariat of the Gulf Cooperation Council more qualified personnel and the provision of financial resources for that, and the intensification of meetings of committees and task currency problem of the Member States.

In regard to propose alternatives to ensure the flow of Gulf oil to world markets in the event that the Strait of Hormuz to the closure, recalled the cooperation of oil in November (November) 2006, discussed in a meeting of the 25 in Doha, from the same month in 2003 to discuss the establishment of an oil pipeline between the joint of the council another outlet in the event of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, and only through the results of the study, not an economic feasibility of the establishment.

As for the rest of the economic subjects in the paper of Kuwait, the issue was brought to the functional commissions of the Ministerial Committee for Planning and Development and the Committee on Trade Cooperation and sent art technical committees to the ministerial committees for discussion.

The recommendations include proposals from the Secretariat of the Gulf Cooperation Council on the future work and provide for the following :

1-emphasis on competent ministerial committees of the utmost importance to the implementation of decisions of the Supreme Council in the various areas of joint action.

2-emphasis on the strict implementation of the decisions issued in accordance with the approved programs of the previous sessions of the Supreme Council, and to develop programs specific timelines for those that did not have programs to be implemented.

3-develop appropriate mechanisms for financing joint projects and programs contained in the proposals ministerial committees.

4-Preparing a semi-annual report on the progress made in the implementation of programs and proposals.

The Supreme Council »stresses the strengthening of the government by Maliki

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«Supreme Council» stresses the strengthening of the government-Maliki before any US-Iranian dialogue ... Friday preachers stressed the «national» solution to the problems of Iraq Baghdad, Najaf, as the Washington-Amri, Fadel Rashad, Joyce Karam life-09 / 12 / 06 / /


Bush, on his left side, Dennis Hastert and Nancy Bilosi at the White House yesterday. (AFP)
The Friday preachers in Iraq «solution national» of the problems and «not imported foreign», with differing views of the report of the Baker-Hamilton, which was considered by some speakers, in line with the government's vision, while others stressed that he represents the «half measures» to the grave political and security experienced by Iraq, with one official «Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution» that any discussion in any US-Iranian dialogue on Iraq «will not happen before the strengthening of the national unity government of Iraq».

He said Sheikh Mahmood Sumaida'ie, the preacher and Imam of a mosque in Baghdad Um, that the report of the Baker-Hamilton «meant to solve the crisis of the Americans in Iraq, not solving the Iraqi issue, and that it provides only half-solutions« »of the political and security crises in the country. He stated that «prospective solution to the Iraqi crisis can not come from abroad, but a solution is an Iraqi-Iraqi crisis, as is the Iraqi-Iraqi».

He called on the government to find appropriate solutions to the issue of mortar shelling on residential quarters in Baghdad, which worsened considerably during the past few weeks, also called the people together, not to bow to the players on the «Uttar sectarian war who practice the killings on behalf of Islam and its people, Islam and its people innocent of them». Stressing the need to close ranks and the emphasis on the unity of the people away from all of the measurements, sectarian and ethnic groups.

In Najaf (180 km) Sheikh Sadr Eddin Kabbnji that «battle Iraqis today is not sectarian but political», «pointed out that the control of small groups affected by the fall of the former regime who are betting on the ethnic war, Iraq will emerge from the successful experience». He stressed that «resolving the Iraqi issue must be based on the national will and not on the solutions provided by foreign bodies», «pointed to the need to involve all Iraqi factions in deeds, not words, not to stand idly by and withdrawals», «demanded that provide political justice where all communities could not accept the verdict of the majority on the minority to the majority or the minority».

Regarding proposals for the Baker-Hamilton for changes in the Constitution, pointed out that «the Iraqis wrote the Constitution and voted by the 12 million people of the 15 million», «wondered : Why can crush the Constitution and the solution, we ask the international community solution?» But he said that the recommendations of the Committee «reasonable and consistent with the correct settings of the Iraqi government, as it is consistent with the experience of Iraq and not against it».

He continued, «there is a crisis, blood and terror in the street and the disruption of infrastructure, but we emphasize that this crisis is not new Iraqi blood has been shed bloody days of Saddam's regime, but there was no voice for us, no one speaks to us».

He called «all the politicians to renounce violence and sectarianism».

In Karbala (110 km south of Baghdad) called Mr. Ahmed Safi, a representative reference Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani the government to a minority «meeting to resolve outstanding problems between political entities, pointing out that« «attempt complex in Iraq can not be solved only promotes people are not required solution from the outside but from inside Iraq». He added net «all the countries of the world is witnessing a political conflict but does not reach the point of killing and displacement (...)». He went on to say that «the political situation so far not proved its ability to serve the public and there was a lack of interest may arise from the national security situation, administrative corruption».

He called on the government to impose «prestige of the State of the rule of law». , Through «Accounting defaulting strongly, beating an iron hand all joints defect also called for« fulfilling the promises that have been made to the people at all levels ».

In Najaf also called on Ayatollah Mohammed Said Hakim, one of the big four references, the neighboring countries to be «rationality and the need to forget the past painful for the peaceful coexistence among the peoples of the region to promote security, stability and prosperity».

He said when he received a delegation from the Office of relief Kuwaiti «» «The problems will not remain confined within Iraq, but would be the spark to spread and burn the other», «stressed the need for recognition by the parties fait accompli and dealing with a serious responsibility».

Hakim added that «testing gain recognition of the rights are important», pointing to one of the communities that are «a small minority and that has been eliminated Governments, how the case, the Shiites, who form the majority have been subjected to all kinds of oppression and deprivation have been unable repressive regimes to eliminate them and keep them forgotten».

In Washington, the Sheikh Humam Hammoudi, a leader of «Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution» headed by Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim, said that any US-Iranian dialogue on Iraq will not happen before «strengthening Iraqi national unity government headed by Nuri al-Maliki», «which is the highest priority at this stage».

He said Hammoudi, who accompanied Hakim on his visit to Washington during a meeting with reporters attended «life» yesterday that an agreement was reached in meetings held by the Iraqi delegation with officials in the White House and the State Department to support the government «Maliki giving powers of security and military broader» addition to greater involvement in the reconciliation process to be a government that is representative of all Iraqis. In response to a question by Al Hayat «» «said means that any US-Iranian dialogue on Iraq will be strengthened by the government of Maliki», he said, pointing out that «Supreme Council» seeks to be a forum Iraq «» dialogues and interests of different parties.

Hamudi emphasized the importance of the participation of «» Mahdi Army, led by Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr in the political process and any Iraqi government, stressing that «many efforts made, from Arab countries and the Iraqi parties, to accommodate all Iraqis in the political process».

Hakim concluded his official visit to Washington yesterday, where he met with President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in addition to the distinguished members of the U.S. Congress, led by Senator Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden and John Kerry and Richard Lugar.

Amendment of American policy in Iraq before Christmas

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Huge an amphibian assault in Basra and killed 20 of the base «» north of Baghdad.

Amendment of American policy in Iraq before Christmas
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Will President George W. Bush and his top aides, political and military series of intensive meetings and consultations starting next week on the situation in Iraq in light of the recommendations of the Baker-Hamilton and the aim of the announcement of changes «» or «» amendments prior to the birth or the end of the year. He quoted the former American Secretary of State James Baker, who was the main character in the group that prepared the report, commenting on the announcement made by President «» is applied selectively, to the 79 recommendations contained in the report is not a basket of fruit «» can choose from but is a complete package «».

Will Bush, from Monday to Wednesday next, consultations with senior officials of the Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defense and the military commanders and the American ambassador in Baghdad, Zalmay Khalilzad and experts from outside the government, to what the White House spokeswoman Dana Berino. The spokeswoman said that the goal is «that the President will be able to deliver a speech before Christmas, but this date is not final».

With the rising number of dead in the American army in Iraq to 2914 troops, following the killing of three of them on Thursday evening, expected General Peter Chiarelli, the supervisor of the American operations in Iraq, the withdrawal of large contingents of combat troops from Iraq beginning of the year 2008 if progress has been achieved «».

With the proclamation of the American army announced the death of the 20th «terrorist» of Al Qaeda in Iraq, including two women, in an air bombing north of Baghdad, Iraqi official announced that the dead civilians, including 5 children.

The British forces launched the biggest operation of the Danish and the amphibious raids and inspections in Basra since the Iraqi invasion of 2003 led to the arrest of five wanted. A spokesman for the British Army Major Charlie Brberidj that the strength of more than a thousand British troops and DANE dawn yesterday raided areas in the suburbs of the city of Basra and arrested five of the militia leaders suspected of carrying out attacks against coalition forces. He added that «the process of implementing the largest since 2003», «he not fall any casualties among the coalition forces or civilian casualties».

On Friday preachers yesterday to the report, Baker stressed the «national» solution to the problems, rather than imported foreign «», as differing views of the report and considered some of the speakers, in line with the government's vision, while others stressed that he represents the half-solutions «» of the political and security crises.

He said Sheikh Mahmood Sumaida'ie, the preacher and Imam of a mosque in Baghdad Um, that the report «meant to solve the crisis of the Americans in Iraq, not solving the Iraqi issue, and that it provides only half-solutions« »of the political and security crises in the country. In Karbala, called Mr. Ahmed Safi, a representative reference Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the government «meeting to be open to resolve outstanding problems between political entities», he said, pointing out that «in Iraq to try complex can be solved only promotes people are not required solution from the outside but from inside Iraq».
He supported the position of President Jalal Talabani, head of the Kurdistan region Masoud Barzani, who considered the report «» inappropriate. The spokesman denied the name of the television station reported that he found the report corresponds to the interests of Iraq.

Barzani was strongly criticized the report and described its recommendations as «unrealistic», «inappropriate» He stressed : «We are not obligated in any event, including the report». He added «Despite our thanks and appreciation to President George W. Bush and administration for toppling the former regime and the efforts that have been made in building the new Iraq, but we still believe that the group studies on Iraq, recommended, inter alia unrealistic and inappropriate».

For his part, James Baker defended his recommendation on the request for assistance from Syria and Iran to achieve stability in Iraq despite that Tehran had informed him recently that «this is unlikely this time», as has happened in Afghanistan. He told the Armed Forces Committee in the Senate, President George Bush allowed him to talk to the Iranian government, which it has no diplomatic relations of the United States. He added : «they (the Iranians) : They will not help you this time».