Thread: The Latest Info on SI

Pinetree, where are you getting your info? What forum? This sounds great!, if it is true. Keep us informed.

Originally Posted by pinetree

The below is the latest news on SI.
quote:
Hi All,

This makes wonderful reading, taken from a post by "xxxxxo" in si_hopefuls forum:

"From: "xxxxxxo" <xxxxxxxxxxo@...>
Date: Sun Sep 3, 2006 1:58 pm
Subject: closing minutes surferoncrack

Some of us are aware of the happenings at SI. When it is all said and
done i am sure that we will open the tap of information so that you
will know. I personally, would not risk jeopardizing my future with
SI as a VIP or SHAREHOLDER to give out information. I am aware that
there are eyes watching us. some believe that they can hide behind
anonymity and post garbage, but the information has been seen and
collected. They dont seem to realize that email records from here
probably match there. its all good, im sure they might bribe a few
mods to find out who they are.

I am sure it will take more than a PMA to stick with them. There are
decisions being made at this moment on the definition of not only
future VIP's, but who stays and who will not stay. For those of you
who are not familiar with the financial arena, you are so lucky to
find SI. it might seem right now that it was a mistake because you
dont know what we know, or have not the experience in the
international banking industry. but truth be told, this will come back
with flying colors and soon. REAL SOON. The information that has been
coming in has been incredible and I have gotten the same story from 3
other sources who have contacts. I would guess that it is pretty real.

There will be a VIP meeting that the bigs at SI want to cordinate for
all VIP's. that status cannot be discussed if you are not one now but
it will be answered soon. It saddens my heart that some might not be
around for that meeting and it is not because of any other reason than
some of the troublemakers who are giving the smaller investor the bad
name. If you have read my post in pingmans corner, I bit someones
head off again for posting the same negative "i" and "proof". I
apologize for the tone that I use but it seems to me it is a natural
reaction in defense of what I know and who I know it will cost.

More to come soon,

xxxx"

Keep the faith, and show perseverance and patience in our wait for SI.

Regards,
unquote:

Pinetree
It's refreshing seeing someone with concern and honesty able and willing to take a stand against the TG mentality concerning every program and in particular. SI.

Originally Posted by chicosan

Pinetree
It's refreshing seeing someone with concern and honesty able and willing to take a stand against the TG mentality concerning every program and in particular. SI.

Pinetree,

Inasmuch as I can appreciate your never ending faith in SI, nothing has happened at all and everything that you (and Chicosan here) have stated is still pure speculation, and even Pingman, whom you continually quote says the same thing, does he not? You pick and choose the posts to put on this forum. What date will come and go AGAIN before you concede that all is not well with SI, or will we be reading all of this in December as well? Surely there must be a date that ends the speculation?

Originally Posted by whatever

Pinetree,

Inasmuch as I can appreciate your never ending faith in SI, nothing has happened at all and everything that you (and Chicosan here) have stated is still pure speculation, and even Pingman, whom you continually quote says the same thing, does he not? You pick and choose the posts to put on this forum. What date will come and go AGAIN before you concede that all is not well with SI, or will we be reading all of this in December as well? Surely there must be a date that ends the speculation?

REALLY!

I said Uncle long ago with this one,.... not that I'm saying never say never... although just can't get into hanging on anything that appears to be bombing.


know what I mean, bean?

It's just amazing at what some people will do to convince themselves or others that all is well when the ship has surely sank. Posting fanatasy wich lists from some super secret VIP only group? Get real, this is making you look a little foolish Pinetree. Give it up, SI scammed you all and they're gone.

I like whatever's suggestion... Give it a time limit if you are not already done with it!

Regarding the recent demands towards pinetree to remain quiet, answer when he'll loose faith and such...

Honestly, I see no reason why anyone should give it a time limit, even / because some other's time limit has been passed big time.

Please people, don't you see that asking such things, you're crossing the line (again) between expressing an opinion and demanding others to agree with you or stay away/shut up?
Do you know there's a name for regimes where the people have to cheer in choir all in harmony pro or against, and otherwise are expelled? Where's the richdom from difference and liberty in opinion here, folks? Why can't you just accept different views?

I wonder... do you know the old christian saying "Don't do to others what you don't want done to you"? If you care about this, just try to imagine...
Does pinetree systematically intervene in the discussions about programs or opportunities you believe in, asking you to stop believing and enjoying them? And if he did, would you tolerate it when he would become personal and demanding things of you? Don't think so. And if he persisted, wouldn't you start to consider this a destructive, annoying attitude and a pure waste of time for all? I think so.

If you allow me some simplification... if you don't like a horse race, you won't go into a horse race arena going to discuss with the spectators what a stupid sport they are cheering for.
And at a football game, you won't enter the opposite party's sections either to propose them a deadline after which, if their club doesn't win the cup, they should consider supporting another team.
Of course you're free to go into debate with them... and it can be a learning experience for both parties. But certainly when all things have been said and/or you can't reveal info they may not be aware of... you better not continue but just stay out of there and live the life you believe in - and let future tell what is or is not... it certainly will.

Take care,
Hasse

With all due respect Hasse,

"If you allow me some simplification... if you don't like a horse race, you won't go into a horse race arena going to discuss with the spectators what a stupid sport they are cheering for.
And at a football game, you won't enter the opposite party's sections either to propose them a deadline after which, if their club doesn't win the cup, they should consider supporting another team." (Your quote)


The difference is that this IS a forum, yes? I would never impose on somebody at a sporting event, nor for that matter a political/religious/any other discussion unless I was asked. But isn't that the point of anyone who joins a forum? To discuss freely? And if asking questions is seen as demanding, then I don't know what to tell you. As far as Christianity goes, well, IMHO there is nothing Christain about taking people's money under false/misleading/fraudulent pretenses. It appears at this point that is exactly what happened with SI. (I'm not the one that put SI in the "scam" file here either, as you know.)


I hope you were not referring to my post as making a demand upon Pinetree? Added to that, I find Chicosan's remark about anyone having other than a Pollyanna view of these HYIP's as having a "TG" mentality to be rather insulting. The events of the last year with the downfall of numerous programs is living proof of the inherent pitfalls for investors (especially naive or vulnerable ones). Finally, since this is a forum, all opinions should be welcome, so long as they are not vulgar or insulting. Free speech is only that when we tolerate the opinions of others, no matterhow much we disdain or disagree with what they say. The fact is, SI has not uttered a word, has been offline now for over two months (or thereabout) and there is no bona fide proof that anybody has really been paid. If people want to believe SI is alive and well, so be it. However, in the spirit of fairness I asked if there would ever be a date that Pinetree and some others would concede that SI is a failure? If the answer is "never" or "the end of this year" or "??" then I would probably never ask another question. It is utterly amazing to me that once again, a multi-million dollar ("legitimate") company cannot establish a temporary website to keep its investors officially informed and it is simply good business practice to do so...but even more amazing are the nonsensical justifications for the overnight disappearance from the Internet, no communication for 2 months, no payments that can be truly verified, and veiled threats made to investors that are openly questioning the above...(See post #20..Where have we heard all of this before, from people allegedly "in the know".?) Oh well, my last post in the SI thread. Pinetree may continue to innundate without further pesky questions or comments from me.

Whatever,
after about an hour working on a proper answer, my browser closed, loosing it all.... and unfortunately have no time to rebuild it all together. In short...

Originally Posted by whatever

With all due respect Hasse,

"If you allow me some simplification... if you don't like a horse race, you won't go into a horse race arena going to discuss with the spectators what a stupid sport they are cheering for.
And at a football game, you won't enter the opposite party's sections either to propose them a deadline after which, if their club doesn't win the cup, they should consider supporting another team." (Your quote)

The difference is that this IS a forum, yes? I would never impose on somebody at a sporting event, nor for that matter a political/religious/any other discussion unless I was asked. But isn't that the point of anyone who joins a forum? To discuss freely?

I would indeed better have improved or left that comparison out of my post...

Originally Posted by whatever

And if asking questions is seen as demanding, then I don't know what to tell you.

No - not my intention.
My concern wasn't people raising opinions or questions... but their focus shift from information to a personal level.

Originally Posted by whatever

As far as Christianity goes, well, IMHO there is nothing Christain about taking people's money under false/misleading/fraudulent pretenses. It appears at this point that is exactly what happened with SI. (I'm not the one that put SI in the "scam" file here either, as you know.)

There's indeed nothing christian about taking people's money. However, I don't think the 'scam' opinion is a justification for some member's behaviour - which I was actually referring to.

Originally Posted by whatever

I hope you were not referring to my post as making a demand upon Pinetree?

Maybe partly... but I replied mostly to the two posts before mine, of moncheri & member99... Anyway, these were actually more the 'last drops' making me 'grap my pen', venting an irritation which has actually it's cause elsewhere. As such I overreacted compared to the tone of your and their posts... I also realise such a general statement as mine leads to collateral damage as members may take it personal while it actually is not about them in the first place. If that needs an apology, you can have mine. On the other hand I wish I had more time to gather and log a number of posts addressing pinetree in a way which might make you understand who & what I got tired off... But don't you feel for yourself like quite a number of posts addressing pinetree lately are either empty and repetitive, too much on a personal level,... and are far away from the quality discussions you've been entering this forum for? As such, besides the comparison I feel much of my post still stands.

Originally Posted by whatever

Added to that, I find Chicosan's remark about anyone having other than a Pollyanna view of these HYIP's as having a "TG" mentality to be rather insulting.

Chicosan's "TG mentality" remark is imo at least unfair as I've never seen here the level as I know it from 'there' - some people ask reasonable questions and thoughts.

Originally Posted by whatever

The events of the last year with the downfall of numerous programs is living proof of the inherent pitfalls for investors (especially naive or vulnerable ones). Finally, since this is a forum, all opinions should be welcome, so long as they are not vulgar or insulting. Free speech is only that when we tolerate the opinions of others, no matterhow much we disdain or disagree with what they say. The fact is, SI has not uttered a word, has been offline now for over two months (or thereabout) and there is no bona fide proof that anybody has really been paid. If people want to believe SI is alive and well, so be it. However, in the spirit of fairness I asked if there would ever be a date that Pinetree and some others would concede that SI is a failure? If the answer is "never" or "the end of this year" or "??" then I would probably never ask another question. It is utterly amazing to me that once again, a multi-million dollar ("legitimate") company cannot establish a temporary website to keep its investors officially informed and it is simply good business practice to do so...but even more amazing are the nonsensical justifications for the overnight disappearance from the Internet, no communication for 2 months, no payments that can be truly verified, and veiled threats made to investors that are openly questioning the above...(See post #20..Where have we heard all of this before, from people allegedly "in the know".?) Oh well, my last post in the SI thread. Pinetree may continue to innundate without further pesky questions or comments from me.

... and I understand your questions. Some indeed remain unanswered, of others I've read reasonable explanations but have no time to dig this all up. Anyway, there is no bona fide proof, only hearsay and possible indications - and apparently for many too little to convince them not to finally classify SI as a scam yet. So be it. Anyway... again, this was for me not the issue here.

I hope this clarifies as far as there were any misunderstandings.
Time now to focus on more effective stuff, as you did .

Take care,
Hasse

I have hung on to so many programs and have witnessed people hanging on for YEARS to programs (even after the verdict was guilty).... so I guess my comment about time limit is that although I am kinda numb to it all, I do think there does come a time to let it go. I guess it is up to the individual though.... or just waiting for the truth to come out for those who choose to keep hoping.
Seeing that I'm numb to it all, I don't have it in me to get any hope up, but of course it would be nice if it did come through....

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