Thread: Straight Answer Please.

Originally Posted by Ca$hBuilder

how many positions in CF (via NIL) have to be sold after the 2000th member has joined NIL for him/her to cycle. Thanks, Cash.

Firstly lets clarify what is being asked.
The first parameter is where are we starting our count from, there are three possibilities here:
1. RT.
2. CF Feeder.
3. CF Main table.

Starting from CF Feeder it would take approximately and roughly worst case plus an added buffer to make it look worst than it is so I am not accused of prettying it up more than the reality I would say between 200 and 300 positions from any member in our Allocated NIL Que.

So from any one point in the Allocated NIL Queue it would take about 200 to 300 positions for you to cycle out of the Main CF Board to collect your Package and commissions.

Now once you are in the CF Main Board it would take about worst case again 32 to 64 positions to cycle out of the CF Main Board again.

Via RT a number more, but I don't know how many more and the number is really not a concern to me because of what I already know about the CF Feeder and CF Main boards.

A lot is also dictated by the tables you go through and because of what has happened to existing CF Main Board Tables we should be hopping through the main tables with some gusto. Here's hoping for nice tables.

Having said that Ca$hbuilder you can wait on the side lines and jump on in when you feel warm, cosy and ready, or not.

Either way good luck to you.

Thanks banana for this explanation.

Originally Posted by travelforall

Hi Cashbuilder,
The 2000th member has exactly the same chance as the 10th or 50th etc.
Its all relative to the depth built....and more especially the width of each position but not the way everyone is thinking.

After all there is supposed to be 60,000 odd members of CFT (correct me if I am wrong here...only a figure someone bandied about). When Nil team started, it started its own set of tables, and its the quality and depth of those tables that keep it building. With NIL it ensures that it does keep building and never comes to a standstill.

***There is one really easy way to make this work even better.***

The way this kind of program works is, yes for it to continue to go down and everyone be qualified with their 2 - because it is even building of the teams that propels this forward, (why so many of the normal CF tables have stalled is that people get their 2, but then those 2 fail to continue as we know) - which is where NIL fills a HUGE need and will attract many.

An even better way is that at the same time NIL people cycle & collect they start building wide on their first position - but ONLY via a 2nd NIL queue which would have to be made up of the people as they cycle and collect cash!

That will mean that duplicate lines are being built from the top position giving everyone a better chance of cycling multiple times - actually even better than buying multiple positions deep. Simply because like the NIL team we all follow the leader, and so likely to always have NIL members on our tables.

Building wide with a further NIL team would ensure that this continues to build only with NIL members too on the tables.

So 1st position (Banana) has its 2 and simply buys a new position under the main one - after it cycles and collects cash/travel.
Now it has 3 front line to it, and NIL starts a 2nd queue attached to that top position (they still also go back and buy multiple positions as planned in main NIL leg).

Every time that positions cycles (Bananas 1st one in NIL), it starts off another leg using the same people in Nil, however this time it would have to be in order of their cycling, because some people will cycle before others - so it won't be truly chronological joining, but hey that is fair too. Some luck in the splitting of tables will always occur.

Basically a whole 2nd (3rd/4th etc) NIL queue commences made up of chronologically the people who cycle and re-purchase another position in the 2nd & any other subsequent front line NIL queus.

Building wide is definitely the answer to all the concerns you have.

This method has worked for many people in CDT (Canadian Diamond Traders) and the most successful of people in there have been the ones that had one position with 10 or 20 wide under them, and teaching them to do the same thing. Their only problem for members of their downline (not themselves) is the obvious one that someone fails to find their qualifiers, however NIL totally addresses this, because the downline is always allocated to them.

A rule would have to be made that ONLY people who have cycled can join team 2, 3 etc in the chronological order that they cycle from team 1 etc. This will ensure that team 1 continues to grow. All new people must join team 1 NIL queue first!

The CDT people cycle as do their team members multiple times, because their tables are always made up ONLY of their own members.

This is another huge problem in CFT that a normal position & you end up on tables with people you do not know - part of completely different teams or just small teams, who have given up due to inability to find their 2 qualifiers.

The human factor will always be the issue in this kind of program with a requirement to continually build down, and many of the people who complain the most that they are stuck are simply the ones that cannot find their 2 either, or one of their personals has got bogged down as well and thats ok.
Only way to solve that is to build under them or start a new leg, and thats too hard..when NIL has the answer.

Building wide with NIL would solve all of these issues too for everyone.
Many of the "leaders" in CFT bought multiple positions under themselves and guess what, those multiple positions have gone here there and every where. Yes some of them cycled 2 or 3 times in the beginning, but now their teams are fractured because of UNEVEN building of the depth - and LACK of building of the WIDTH.

Instead POS1, has personal positions 2, 3, 4, 5 etc attached directly under position 1, and builds under them. More importantly teaches the people in them to do the same - more even building. When POS1 cycles, absolutely without a doubt, POS 2, 3, 4, 5 etc HAVE to follow them to the table they are on, not be split up and sent to multiple tables with strangers. As do all the members under those 2-5 positions. Thats how it was explained to me from someone who does this very successfully in CDT. Does it make sense?
Unless CFT is slightly different to CDT in how the tables split?

I believe that NIL in its current format will do precisely the same, however we can add to that in time, by creating 2nd and subsequent queues under Banana's 1st one. Just a thought.

I am making the suggestion to Banana and Neno, that they think this over and consider that as soon as the first position at the top of the NIL table cycles, that as part of the re-investment strategy, that Banana starts another NIL team attached to his bhg9010 position and simply duplicates the entire team down again, BUT only of cycled members.

Of course he will cycle more, but thats what leaders do, however so will his team, quicker, and more frequently.

And we all simply follow him. Those that choose to re-invest when cycled simply form part of a new queue.

Love everyone's feedback !

Regards
Travelforall

This has been on the books for the NIL System since I first posted on the "TeamClubfreedom Forum" early February 2007

I was going to have at it. But the question was directed to you. I knew that the posters figures where very inaccurate as I have been thru this before with other programs when people miss concept the figures.

As always you answered it for them gracefully. Thanks Bud.

Originally Posted by travelforall

Hi Cashbuilder,
The 2000th member has exactly the same chance as the 10th or 50th etc.
Its all relative to the depth built....and more especially the width of each position but not the way everyone is thinking.

After all there is supposed to be 60,000 odd members of CFT (correct me if I am wrong here...only a figure someone bandied about). When Nil team started, it started its own set of tables, and its the quality and depth of those tables that keep it building. With NIL it ensures that it does keep building and never comes to a standstill.

***There is one really easy way to make this work even better.***

The way this kind of program works is, yes for it to continue to go down and everyone be qualified with their 2 - because it is even building of the teams that propels this forward, (why so many of the normal CF tables have stalled is that people get their 2, but then those 2 fail to continue as we know) - which is where NIL fills a HUGE need and will attract many.

An even better way is that at the same time NIL people cycle & collect they start building wide on their first position - but ONLY via a 2nd NIL queue which would have to be made up of the people as they cycle and collect cash!

That will mean that duplicate lines are being built from the top position giving everyone a better chance of cycling multiple times - actually even better than buying multiple positions deep. Simply because like the NIL team we all follow the leader, and so likely to always have NIL members on our tables.

Building wide with a further NIL team would ensure that this continues to build only with NIL members too on the tables.

So 1st position (Banana) has its 2 and simply buys a new position under the main one - after it cycles and collects cash/travel.
Now it has 3 front line to it, and NIL starts a 2nd queue attached to that top position (they still also go back and buy multiple positions as planned in main NIL leg).

Every time that positions cycles (Bananas 1st one in NIL), it starts off another leg using the same people in Nil, however this time it would have to be in order of their cycling, because some people will cycle before others - so it won't be truly chronological joining, but hey that is fair too. Some luck in the splitting of tables will always occur.

Basically a whole 2nd (3rd/4th etc) NIL queue commences made up of chronologically the people who cycle and re-purchase another position in the 2nd & any other subsequent front line NIL queus.

Building wide is definitely the answer to all the concerns you have.

This method has worked for many people in CDT (Canadian Diamond Traders) and the most successful of people in there have been the ones that had one position with 10 or 20 wide under them, and teaching them to do the same thing. Their only problem for members of their downline (not themselves) is the obvious one that someone fails to find their qualifiers, however NIL totally addresses this, because the downline is always allocated to them.

A rule would have to be made that ONLY people who have cycled can join team 2, 3 etc in the chronological order that they cycle from team 1 etc. This will ensure that team 1 continues to grow. All new people must join team 1 NIL queue first!

The CDT people cycle as do their team members multiple times, because their tables are always made up ONLY of their own members.

This is another huge problem in CFT that a normal position & you end up on tables with people you do not know - part of completely different teams or just small teams, who have given up due to inability to find their 2 qualifiers.

The human factor will always be the issue in this kind of program with a requirement to continually build down, and many of the people who complain the most that they are stuck are simply the ones that cannot find their 2 either, or one of their personals has got bogged down as well and thats ok.
Only way to solve that is to build under them or start a new leg, and thats too hard..when NIL has the answer.

Building wide with NIL would solve all of these issues too for everyone.
Many of the "leaders" in CFT bought multiple positions under themselves and guess what, those multiple positions have gone here there and every where. Yes some of them cycled 2 or 3 times in the beginning, but now their teams are fractured because of UNEVEN building of the depth - and LACK of building of the WIDTH.

Instead POS1, has personal positions 2, 3, 4, 5 etc attached directly under position 1, and builds under them. More importantly teaches the people in them to do the same - more even building. When POS1 cycles, absolutely without a doubt, POS 2, 3, 4, 5 etc HAVE to follow them to the table they are on, not be split up and sent to multiple tables with strangers. As do all the members under those 2-5 positions. Thats how it was explained to me from someone who does this very successfully in CDT. Does it make sense?
Unless CFT is slightly different to CDT in how the tables split?

I believe that NIL in its current format will do precisely the same, however we can add to that in time, by creating 2nd and subsequent queues under Banana's 1st one. Just a thought.

I am making the suggestion to Banana and Neno, that they think this over and consider that as soon as the first position at the top of the NIL table cycles, that as part of the re-investment strategy, that Banana starts another NIL team attached to his bhg9010 position and simply duplicates the entire team down again, BUT only of cycled members.

Of course he will cycle more, but thats what leaders do, however so will his team, quicker, and more frequently.

And we all simply follow him. Those that choose to re-invest when cycled simply form part of a new queue.

Love everyone's feedback !

Regards
Travelforall

Next-In-Line is what it is. You have two ways of coming in at to reach the Main Table. There is a third but not for now, which is $1000.00

Now you point of duplication with another Team, is no need IMHO. You must realise that after you cycle out of the Mian Table, you do not go thru the feeder part again with that position. It goes right back into a Mian table for start again. See actually you get $8000.00 for the whole $200.00 investment. $7000.00 on the cycle out on the Min Table with $6000.00 to your wallet and $1000.00 for your automatic re-entry to the Main Table. Awsome.

Now at some point and Time I agree with the advance spending with $1000.00 to the Main Tables. But it will still go thru the NIL Website. Just remember that Next-In-Line is what it is from the Start. Have a wonderful Journey.

PS. Dont worry about strangers on your Table. As they will continue to be strangers as well as you by them with the prestisipation in NIL. I have already seen it from the start. I have passed somany already as this is how it all started with the beginning of NIL. What is good about the strangers at first is they take up a position on the Table. NIL takes advatage of that also.

Originally Posted by banana

So from any one point in the Allocated NIL Queue it would take about 200 to 300 positions for you to cycle out of the Main CF Board to collect your Package and commissions.

Now once you are in the CF Main Board it would take about worst case again 32 to 64 positions to cycle out of the CF Main Board again.

so around 250 new CF positions (via NIL) are required after one joins NIL anywhere in the queue to cycle once, right? and to cycle twice it's around 12,500 because each of those 32 to 64 (i've used 50) that are re-entered need 250 each, right? thanks for your help, cash.

Originally Posted by Ca$hBuilder

so around 250 new CF positions (via NIL) are required after one joins NIL anywhere in the queue to cycle once, right? and to cycle twice it's around 12,500 because each of those 32 to 64 (i've used 50) that are re-entered need 250 each, right? thanks for your help, cash.

You really need to put your calculator down and stop looking at it as 1 person using 50 people your thinking is in error. Just as an example of those 50 you say you used, they are part of the same queue or line that is progressing through the tables and tables is what you are progressing through.

Another way of looking at it, is as a list or a stack, in the programming world we use lists and stacks depending on how we need to retrieve that data.

So for simplicity we are going to create a list that we can push new positions in the bottom and pull the qualified positions off the top.

We will work with 10 positions here for simplicities sake. You could multiply each position by 25 to give you the guestimated 250 people in the list progressing through the tables.

Position 10 anne
Position 9 mary
Position 8 david
Position 7 jasmine
Position 6 paul
Position 5 don
Position 4 ariel
Position 3 sam
Position 2 fred
Position 1 john

Now lets presume that position 10 anne is qualified and ready to cycle out, for that to happen we have to push a new position in the list at the bottom, so lets do that now.

anne - Has now cycled out because sassie has joined the list.
Position 10 mary
Position 9 david
Position 8 jasmine
Position 7 paul
Position 6 don
Position 5 ariel
Position 4 sam
Position 3 fred
Position 2 john
Position 1 sassie - Has joined the list

Now for mary to cycle we need a new member to join the list just like sassie did. So mary does not need 10 on her own to cycle she just needs one more member cause she just like anne is part and parcel of the 10 in the group that is progressing through the tables to cycle out, you can extrapolate that out as you wish but how it functions is the same.

If you can not see this now, you obviously don't want to or want this to fit your belief system and not the reality of how this actually works.

I have taken the time to explain (in a number of ways) how this system works and if you continue to not comprehend just relax and monitor our progress, and if you see the light or the penny drops feel free to join us.

hi banana.
could we have a regular update on how many NIL/CF positions have been sold and how many people have cycled and collected $6,000.
or do you consider that a deterent to others thinking of joining.
thanks,
cash.

So, how many NIL/CF positions have been sold and how many people have cycled and collected $6,000. Thanks, cash.

Hi Cash,

The way to monitor yr wishes is to keep viewing the NIL threads on this forum.

Thus u can conduct yr own reseach, that can/will satisfy yr enquiring mind.

When a member rolls out of the top board u will soon see/hear it on the threads.

Nil is getting more and more popular as members see their progression thru the feeder board & into the main board.
{This can be view on the Club freedom site for every member.
So its not hidden from CF members. Its very open!!}


That means they are happy with the progress & they have not complained on this Rolclub forum.

The longer u wait to join the longer it will be that u receive that $6k.

Its yr choice.

Rolling stones dont gather any moss.
Roll on NIL