Thread: Questions

I just want to make sure if I understand correctly what RT is. If I buy a 65$ place in Rt with Nil, I won't have anything to do and someday I will cycle. At that time I will have a free position in CF also with Nil + an other position in Rt?

So if I already have a position in CF via Nil when my RT position will cycle, I will have a place in the same list of my CF position? (I say list because I did'nt received my 2 positions yet)

So it will help my Cf position and it will go much faster because we always have an other free position in RT. I'm asking these questions because it seems to good to be true. It can work perfectly, but the thing I don't understand (sorry if it was already explain) is: how can we have a free position each time we cycle with RT?

I was also wondering if someday it is possible that all the tables could be full with Nil members so that each time someone arrives, there is someone that cycle and get the 6000$. Is it possible? or we will always have to add tables in function of how much members we have.

Hope you can understand what I wrote! lol I'm from Quebec and I speak french! My english is not very very good.

Dear Snowman,

Lovely to meet you, have been to your lovely Country. This is Travelforall via Australia and I wanted to tell you that YES you are completely on the right track. Isn't it brilliant!

If you buy a position in RT via NIL, NO you don't have to do anything (although I am betting that when you see how fantastic it is, you will tell others anyway)....but NO requirement for you to do anything.

When this RT (via NIL) position cycles, you will be given a NEW RT position and you will then be allocating your new cycled RT/CF position to someone in the NIL queue as one of their qualifying referrals! People helping other people ! Its simply fantastic !

This in turn means that if you already have a position in CF via NIL, it helps you to get your 2 required referrals quicker too...it helps everyone in the NIL queues. It won't go directly to you (unless you are the next person in line in the CF queue of course) but it will help you and all the others in the queue get on the boards quicker, over and over again !

Now if you go and read the information on the RT site, you will see how they create the continuing line of positions for you ! Would be too long to explain it here, however if you need help, feel free to send me a personal message and I will help you.

Next your new 2nd and subsequent RT position sits and waits for the 2 referrals you were given in RT NIL queue to get their 2 and fill their matrix and cycle and they come around in RT and follow you and fill your NEW RT position till it cycles again, and you again get a new positon in RT and your new RT/CF position goes to help the next person in line in the NIL CF queue ! It might not be your direct 2 people who force your RT position to cycle, as members of your growing downline may cycle faster than others in RT, however your referrals and their referrals push everyone around and around forever ! What team work !

Remember also that as people cycle out of CF & collecting $6K they are coming back and buying many new positions in either CF directly or via RT as well which pushes the whole team faster and faster !

So simply put YES having an RT position via NIL will help your current CF (provided its thru NIL) to move faster!

Potentially your 2nd last question could occur and likely will, however till we see how the tables cycle, we won't know for absolutely sure, but it IS possible !

However we always want for NIL to grow and get new members so that every single member gets to cycle. Kinda like the cycle of life, we are, we learn, we grow and we collect! It all takes time and patience ! And when we expire though, our positions move to our loved ones, what a great heritage !

Kind regards
Au revoir
Travelforall

Originally Posted by snowman

I was also wondering if someday it is possible that all the tables could be full with Nil members so that each time someone arrives, there is someone that cycle and get the 6000$. Is it possible? or we will always have to add tables in function of how much members we have.

Yes snowman. And it is already happening. The tables are actually turning pure nil members already. Adventually. NIL will be the very top of CF. Yes, it will take time. But it is the only Team that started this way from the get go. I understand that there is over 85,000 member in CF now. But one of these days they will have wished they joined NIL in the first step.

BTW, most here will agree that your English and Grammer is much better than mine.

Hi,

thank you for your answers guys

I was too excited, so I bought a position in RT before I saw your answer!! But it seems I made the right choice!! That's busness feeling lol

That's great!! I will tell everyone I know and I will try to advertise in the forum of TST (snoozing team) there are a lot of investors there.

I hope everyone will buy new positions when they will cycle.

hmm, I dont think it will be ever possible that boards are filled with "recycled NIL members" only...That is because the ever splitting of boards will continue for ever and ever as well.

This means there should be allways a need for new members to join.

This has been discused in the clubfreedomforum a while ago, where some guys invested 10.000's of dollars on positions in CF, in the hope they could get a perpetual motion of cycles.. but then the admin came in and explaned there will allways be a need for new members to join, otherwise at some point the boards get stuck, because of the splitting of boards.

its not rocket science to understand that :-) It would be very bad for the clubfreedom company, when they had to pay money to free reenters and boards filled with only freebees.. uhuh, that wont happen! the splitting will be such that there will allways be a need for new members, otherwise it doesnt work.

Re-entries on the mainboard are not freebees, they are paid for positions. If you do not understand how, that is ok but you need to stop making statements based on assumptions and what you think your calculator is telling you. Just as an example I can get a calculator to give any answer I so desire, it does not mean my logic for the algorithms I use is correct. ....Banana

Lots

Lots,

if everyone buy 10 positions the first time they cycle, it will helps everyone and the next time they cycle (with 11 positions) they could buy more then 10 positions. I don't if it would be enough to cycle without new members this way.

Originally Posted by snowman

Lots,

if everyone buy 10 positions the first time they cycle, it will helps everyone and the next time they cycle (with 11 positions) they could buy more then 10 positions. I don't if it would be enough to cycle without new members this way.

I must disapoint you here, it will never get perpetual by investing our CF income into new positions, because to pay you $6000, the company has made at least $5200 Even if we would invest all our CF income into new positions, at some point the cycles will stop, and new positions baught with "new" money are needed to get it going again.

That is not correct, Lots. The company makes a few hundred dollars on the first cycle of the main board and then on subsequent mainboard cycles of the same member, the company makes $1000 per cycle. I wont get into indirect profits the company can take advantage of here, but they certainly don't make $5200 per cycle. Banana

It is easy to see. If you recycle you get on a board with 7 positions to fill.

Worsed case: These 7 positions require at least 56 purchases of $200, that is $11200,- to have the next cycle on that board. So every cycle the company takes at least $11200-$6000=$5200.. to compesate for this $5200 the company takes, you need 26 Fresh positions, not baught by reinvestments. This will be less when the boards are filled with recycle that follow their leader on the same board.. but the logic of the clubfreedom boardplacements will allways be such that they will make some money on every cycle.. even if it is just $200, then still you need ONE fresh new member on every cycle, IF the $6000 is fully reinvested.


It has alot to do with what boards you show up on and how they split based on the members on that board. Banana

And you know nobody will reinvest fully his $6000 income he waited for so long, some will reinvest $2000, others take it all. So there will ALLWAYS be a need for new people!

But that may happen, there are one billion chinese guys that see internet for the first time the next few years, People from India join CF everyday by the hundreds, (see the Members joined today, scrolling by at the CF home page)Europe just becomes aware of Clubfreedom... we barely scratched the surface with NIL!!

Only about 300-400 position via NIL at this point in time, this will be Thousands in a few years, and may have made many people filthy rich by then! you see there are 22000+ people in this forum alone, and Neno and Marek did not even properly started to advertise this to the rolclub memberbase

We do not have 300 to 400 NIL positions, stop making statements that are incorrect. Banana

Upward and onward with our GREAT NEXT IN LINE TEAM!

Lots

Originally Posted by lots

and Neno and Marek did not even properly started to advertise this to the rolclub memberbase
Lots

that was my other question,

except you, what are the marketing plans? Is there any budget for that? will it start soon? I can't find any information about that and I think it's really important.

BTW I would like to help with freeviral, but I don't really understand what I have to do exactly. Do I need to have a website? because I don't have.

Snowman

Hi Lots and Snowman,

You are both trying to be helpful here in promoting NIL, and we appreciate you. However, you are both going off on tangents a bit, and getting bogged down in numbers and "marketing", so if I can share this with you, maybe we can get things back on track.
However you are going to have to make me write a book here !!! Although I could simply answer you by saying just this.

TO PROMOTE NIL, ALL WE ALL NEED TO DO IS SHARE IT WITH EVERYONE WE KNOW !
SIMPLE, UNSTATED, NO FEAR OF PERSONAL GAIN, JUST SHARING !
Like showing people how to buy a lottery ticket that will at SOME STAGE but definitely WILL, PAY OFF ! We just need to share it with people, not market it as such ! No different than the great film we just saw or the nice restaurant we went to and now recommend to others. WE NOW HAVE CREDIBILITY and can state that we have cycled...we are a NEW business (and after all Rome was not built in a day) but we are a TEAM concept, where truly every single mum, dad, aunty, uncle, friend, foe will one day (if they join our NIL concept for $200 (or even for $65) WILL receive $6000K).
Thats better than depositing $200 worth of coins in a piggy bank surely ?

None of us should specifically voice either our opinions or our assumptions as to how the CF program works and what numerically is entailed in going from A to Z, without the full knowledge of the figures, and how they are calculated etc. Ultimately though it simply does not matter and I will explain why a little bit further on. As I have stated many times in the past, there are many variables that always affect anything that any human being puts into place.

To put this in perspective....we only have to look at how our existance on earth is created and grows exponentially and the past few years we have seen technological and every other kind of growth in unprecendented ways, like in no other period in human existance. Stuff that we saw on television in the seventies, (and remember that TV only came to being approx 50 years ago) is happening to us NOW...and in truth some of it is scary ! But how great, how advanced and how SMART are human beings ? The Law of Attraction is working in an unprecedented way that can now be seen to be happening as people learn how to focus on what they want and not what they don't want ! NIL has been put in place to help allay fears, to take away fear of rejection, but most of all, TO WORK !

On the whole NIL potentially can circumvent, any of those variables that are thrown our way (because it has been set up right, from word go) simply based on the evolution of life, of business, of companies, of network marketing plans, of TV, of technology, of simply everything ! Put simply they all need to grow....and growth always entails having new members, because if everything stopped at just a few members, well it makes sense that it can never move into the future, and certainly cannot grow in anyway, and would become bloody boring if you ask me anyway.

NO way was CF ever designed to be something that simply stops at a given point, because "oh we have enough members now, so all the ones that got in first can just cycle and be damned to all the rest that joined later". That was NEVER the concept and NEVER is in any business, be it a networking one or not. Everyone needs NEW and MORE customers, or they cannot survive!
I know, I own and run a conventional shop that I built from scratch, and if I don't grow and expand and ENTICE MORE customers, my business will simply fritter away to nothing!

No business, NOTHING on this earth can grow and expand without new memberships ! Why would NIL be any different than that ?

Speaking of that, EVERY SINGLE MLM/networking/investment type of business CAN ONLY survive by bringing new members to the table constantly, day after day, week after week, month after month.....you get the picture!

And why do they still survive even though most are unevenly balanced and the stuff of broken dreams for many good people. Because as people fall away with the reality, they perhaps don't have the skills to enrol, teach and sometimes manipulate, and think the industry as a whole stinks, when the truth is that if EVERY SINGLE MLM was built so that EVERYONE had the memberships they needed to qualify, ie spillover occurred - downlines were solidly built with no holes (JUST LIKE NIL), there would no longer be the VERY RICH, AND VERY SMART, people at the top, feeding off the desires and wants of the thousands below them, who weren't able to enrol, persist and maintain large numbers of people, for whatever reason that life got in their way !

Can I tell you that ALL any NIL member should really be doing is SHARING by word of mouth the NIL program, to anyone with ears and preferably an open mind. Because NIL is a program designed to be built as a team, and designed to circumvent the VERY PROBLEM that every NETWORK of any kind EVER HAS - which is consistency of membership, and depth of downline built absolutely idyllically, with the required membership.

Lots, you and I are friends, and you have worked very hard on building a splash page and autoresponder system, to which every single one of us in NIL appreciates the time and trouble you went to, however it will only be a very small fish in the sea of "wanting" people out there, however believe me the marketing plans are not always what they seem to be, and you know why, because business's get built on relationships, and people who join you want to be heard, to be listened to, and to be cared about. That is true abundance and what we have with NIL. I have built many new friendships and relationships within NIL such as the one you and I now share, and I look forward to building many more.

Guys, simply we just need to share this by word of mouth. That's all.
If your loved ones say NO, if your friends say NO, move on, NEXT, to the person who is in the right space to find out about this. We let our FEAR of not knowing who to talk to about this next, rule us. Strangers will come and join us, but in the interim, lets share it with our friends first !

The figures are all wrong, it is very smart how it works, and when the whole entire downline has no holes in it, it cannot help but work ! That's why NIL WILL become the no 1 team in CF. Again, I say we appreciate you, but it is misleading and unnecessary to try and calculate this mathematically!

Like very business in the world, every school, every shop, every home, we need new memberships to join us, or otherwise they too would expire !

Take care and lets just talk to people !
Kind regards
Travelforall

Hi Travel4all,

What an excellent post !!!!

I could not have done any better !!!!

I agree with u, that NIL is the best Team concept/arrangement after seen so many on the net, and been talked into them with no return to my pocket.

NIL will work because it fills up the boards/matrixs properly & evenly so all benefit from it.

We look forward to welcoming new members that can get a return from their Team endeavours with NIL.

NIL TO NEW HIGHS.

Zuluworker.