Thread: Srormpay Users, Info For Action!! Urgent!!

JUST RECEIVED THIS!!! PLEASE TAKE ACTION!!!!

FBI vs STORMPAY
Latest Update - March 3, 2006

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--->>>ALL SUFFERS who are suffering losses<<<---

-->>Steming from the actions of STORMPAY<<--
directly or Indirectly
(Indirect Example -- site closures taking your non-stormpay monies with them.)
United States or INTERNATIONAL user.
The ONLY criteria in order to file an FBI claim is that ONE of the parties involved be governed by the Laws of the United States and STORMPAY qualifies.
ALL are encouraged to pass this web site link on to anyone and everyone they feel might benefit, find help in, or even amusement at, anything contained here. Do not let our plight get buried in the depths of forums, or forgotten by the media -
until every injured party gets every dime they are rightfully due.
you have rights and the FBI is currently seeking any and all to submit a claim so they may grasp the extent of harm and damages over Stormpays "actions" (fraud would be MY, and a more appropriate, word)
FILE your claim at -- www.ic3.gov
ALSO - by filing your claim,, you will then begin receiving Updates from the FBI regarding their progress.
This information has come to my attention.. while they do NOT want physical telephone calls (so I have masked the phone number).. It does seem to be the actual agents over-seeing the investigation into Stormpay and a direct email. Please IF desire to send directly to them ALSO file the same at www.icw.gov,, Make sure YOUR position is accurately filed.
Special Agent in Charge: Kevin B. Kendrick
Assistant Special Agents in Charge:
Kenneth Moore, Robert Clifford
InfraGard Program
Telephone (704) xxx-xxxx
E-mail: [email protected]

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AND DONT STOP THERE!!!

live in, or are a Citizen of, the United States?
send a copy of your complaint to your Senator and (House of) Representative:
send a copy of your complaint to the TENN Senators and House of Representatives:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
haven't filed a complaint with the TENN BBB? send a copy there too (the more on file, which stormpay does not directly respond to, the more ammunition to force Officials to act.):
http://www.gobbb.org/complaint.html
I am even going to send a copy to My States Governor as well as the Governor of Tenn.:
http://www.quarterdesigns.com/governors.html

DON'T think its useless.. the more Americans show they are affective with Stormpays illegal actions the MORE our elected officials will HAVE to do something... or face political disaster for failing to protect those they were Elected to protect and represent.

International Users
send a copy of your complaint to the TENN Senators and House of Representatives:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
haven't filed a complaint with the TENN BBB? send a copy there too (the more on file, which stormpay does not directly respond to, the more ammunition to force Officials to act.):
http://www.gobbb.org/complaint.html

Does Your Country have Officials or Government Departments that are suppose to protect You???
send copies to them.
Awesome if YOUR Government were to put heat on the United States to DO SOMETHING.

NOT a Stormpay Account Holder,,,
you could still be affected and suffering Losses.
Did you have funds in a site or sites that was hit by Stormpays zeroing (or freezing) of accounts -- that site then closed without refunding your initial membership fees OR without paying you your earnings on your upgrades.. YOU HAVE A CLAIM. As the owner of that site will, in time, gain access to whats left in their currently zeroed (frozen) account. (assuming of course, that Stormpay has not simply embezzled from us all). The OWNER will at some point have the funds to pay - yet the business is closed, gone,,,, and so the owner will KEEP the money. The owner will not totally loose,, but YOU WILL! all because of Stormpays Direct Illegal Actions.
FILE YOUR CLAIM TOO!

USE the words
BUSINESS,, as that is what an Auto Surf Site is..
an Auto Surf owner is the SELLER.. a seller of services
you are the PURCHASER.. a purchaser of a service.

REMEMBER - the ISSUE is NOT the validity of the "BUSINESS"
(no ONE person or business has the right to seize assests of another -
especially with ONLY their personal views as support)
the ISSUE is what Stormpay did AND HOW

Don't let this travesty die.. Send copies to your local newspapers.. let them in on the biggest scandal to hit the Internet and YOUR country. At no time in recent history has ANYONE been allowed to, AND allowed to continue to, REMOVE FUNDS from a private person or business without LEGAL SANCTION. In the United States that means a COURT ORDER directly stating that MY funds are not MY funds.


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This is an IN progress copy of what I will be sending the FBI & others (in progress as still gathering my dollar figures).. DO NOT QUOTE ME as MY case is and will be different than YOURS. YET there might be comments I have thought of that you haven't

still a work in process - surfing 62 sites is A LOT of math to come up with figures on.. and just might have been 1 site too many.... though all the closusers and vanishings of late has reduced that original 62 figure.
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While DIRECT quotes are discouraged,, there may be portions you desire to use.. IF that is the case please modify them to accurately describe YOUR situation.
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I am NOT a lawyer, nor have any legal back ground what so ever, My comments and beliefs are simply based upon what an "end user" can make out from Stormpays User Agreement and from what I as a private citizen know of the Law via personal experience or told by other NON lawyers and their personal experiences
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and, for humor in these horrid times, - what I have gleaned off the T.V.
as it is a work in progress... it is in need of a final spell check too.
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I am in no way purporting my comments and beliefs are legally correct or legally accurate..

It is a long complaint,, will take Some Time to read.. but everyone affected might find useful statements/ideas, so could be Well Worth your time to browse.
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Stormpay needs to be, MUST BE,,, closed to active business -- a COURT APPOINTED TRUSTEE appointed to assure ALL assets, directly and indirectly associated with StormPay, Inc. remain within StormPay, Inc - A Court Appointed Trustee appointed to assure NO FUNDS or ASSETS ARE IN ANY WAY DISTRIBUTED TO ANYONE within OR without Stormpay.... UNTIL which time this entire fiasco (stormpay vs 12DailyPro & et at) can be LEGALLY resolved.
Stormpays continued unsupervised ability to manage their internal affairs without direct responsible independent Legal Authorities oversight provides them with a continued ability to not only seize funds they have No Legal Right to, to the possible manipulation of StormPay Inc. funds and assets which could end up being the possession of account members they have damaged.
QUESTIONABLE and ILLEGAL activities with account holder funds warrant and give just cause for such an action. Without such a SEIZURE of Stormpay's funds, assets and a cessation of business conducting ability... NO IMMEDIATE AND justifiable QUICK resolution is an incentive. No Immediate and quick resolution could be hoped for by the thousands of (seized PERSONAL MONEY) individuals stormpays actions have affected!
My Stand: -- As NO viable records are in anyone's but the business's that stormpay has manipulated their stormpay only accounts on (frozen.. issued chargebacks against thousands of members sending monies back to accounts which had no right to receive them) -- there is NO POSSIBLE way for Stormpay to justify, whom is owed what... I therefore am of the belief STORMPAY is solely responsible for ANY and ALL damages: including, but not limited to, actual CASH to Earnings expatiations,
1.) $xxx,xxx.xx - STORMPAY TO RETURN - Actual cash removed from MY Stormpay Account
2.) $xxx,xxx.xx - STORMPAY TO PROVIDE assurance and final responsibility to guarantee Actual cash locked in Frozen/Zero'ed business Stormpay Accounts (might be returned SHOULD stormpay release FULL account balance as stood before they froze and started charge backs -- if NOT STORMPAY TO REIMBURSE in full)
3.) $xxx,xxx.xx - STORMPAY TO REIMBURSE - Earnings LOST on the $7500.00 memberships
4.) $xxx,xxx.xx - STORMPAY TO REIMBURSE - Actual non-Stormpay membership earnings LOST when owners account zeroed at Stormpay
5.) $xxx,xxx.xx - Stormpay FEEs charged to send/receive Stormpay monies (stormpay to refund due to violation of their User Agreement.. semi restitution for lost ability to generate income on seized funds)
$xxx,xxx.xx - TOTAL FUNDS due DIRECTLY from STORMPAY (with no consideration of or effect to any other account holders accounts)
$xxx,xxx.xx - TOTAL FUNDS due from business's -- DIRECTLY guaranteed by STORMPAY should the business's not receive full return of ALL funds
$xxx,xxx.xx - TOTAL over all cost/loss - restitution is due and justifiably due NOW!
***** The issue is NOT if 12DailyPro (and other business accounts Stormpay has frozen and/or removed ALL funds from to create a ZERO balance in them) is a scam, ponzi or pyramid scheme. Stormpay only attempts to muddy the issue and mis-direct attention away from them.
* THE ISSUE IS: -- Stormpay has VIOLATED their USER AGREEMENT, (probably an untold number of United States laws as well), which has resulted in my direct actual and profit on return losses.
Each day Stormpay continues to illegally deny me access to MY funds as well as deny any and all business's that rightfully owe me funds access to THEIR funds (due to freezing OR zeroing of their accounts), I incur additional direct and indirect losses - including but not limited to the inability to generate income by any means/form with those funds.
The removal of funds placed into MY stormpay account through MY personal banking and or by business who legitimately owned me money... without direct consent from ME, without direct claim from any business whom deposited funds into my account, or by a Legal Document stating that MY funds are to be seized - has violated numerous "banking trust - down to simple Civil" laws.
* To SUPPORT my claim: -- Per Stormpay's USER AGREEMENT, Stormpay has the all encompassing right to determine whom they shall allow as an account holder. They may "cancel/terminate" any account which, in their sole determination, violates their USER AGREEMENT. In this "cancellation / termination" process they "may" retain the right to HOLD any and ALL funds within the offending account for a maximum period of 180 days to provide purchasers time to file "charge back" claims, claims the purchaser has only 45 days from date of purchase receipt to file, and to provide Stormpay adequate time to review and approve or decline the charge back requests, on purchases made, against the (canceled/terminated) company. At the End of the 180 day period the original account holder of the canceled / terminated account is entitled to claim any funds remaining in said account.
Through out the Stormpay USER AGREEMENT, they include numerous mentions to their MIDDLE MAN service status. Their non-involvement in transactions between a buyer and a seller except to act as the money exchanger. Stormpay, numerous times requires both buyers and sellers to hold Stormpay, officers, employees and et al (like a J..Doe 1 through one zillion), harmless in any transaction.
STORMPAYS ILLEGAL ACTIONS: -- In the case of Stormpay vs 12DailyPro,, (and Stormpay vs numerous other seller account's), they went above and beyond their abilities set out within their USER AGREEMENT with ME, 12DailyPro,,, and unknown numbers of other stormpay account holders,, including but not limited to the removal of funds to create a ZERO balance within purchaser accounts.
While elsewhere within their USER AGREEMENT, they claim the right to take any and all LEGAL actions against account holders that, for what ever the reason, their account goes into the Negative, to reclaim monies rightful due to STORMPAY... this does not give them the legal right to ASSUME a POSSIBLE negative balance.
Nowhere does the USER AGREEMENT give them the right to remove funds, in any/all purchaser accounts, sent in good faith and rightfully due in good faith to purchasers, regardless of how recent or ancient... on a Stormpay imposed cancellation/termination of account under any Stormpay (baseless) ASSUMPTION -- no right to safeguard against an assumed potential negative balance by systematic reversal of spent monies.
Nor does it give Stormpay the right to attempt collection of amounts OVER AND ABOVE THE EXISTING NEGATIVE BALANCE let alone an assumed possible perhaps anticipated negative balance. While I do not have direct personal knowledge, it is my belief, one that I know could be verified, that within the ONE 12DailyPro account which was "frozen/cancled" that on February 7th the date stormpay took action against MY account,, the 12DailyPro account was NOT in the negative.
Nowhere within their USER AGREEMENT does it give stormpay any rights to retrieve funds from, or to seek legal recourse against, ANYONE but the offending negative account and its registered owners.
Only with a Court Won case, where it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, based upon documented proof presented BY BOTH SIDES, before a Court Appointed Judge, that injury has indeed been incurred (BY STORMPAY), and (Stormpay) given "the win" with rights to take any legal steps allowable by law, would they be lawful to take any and all LEGAL steps necessary.
NO individual or business may lay claim to and seize a persons assets real or personal, within their care or not.. without proper legal steps taken PRIOR to the action.
YET - Without Legal cause, STORMPAY has attached MY funds without benefit of a COURT ORDER. This action, Stormpay removing funds from MY account, - per the Stormpay User Agreement indicates either:
1. STORMPAY won a case stating I owed STORMPAY monies.. or,,,,
2. Stormpay, by sending these funds to ADMIN@12DAILYPRO would indicate this company requested the funds to be returned and would require them to give rightful cause why the funds were sent in error, would require Stormpay to send copy of said claim to me and request reason why these funds were due and rightfully mine. Stormpay leaving itself sole right to make a judgement call based upon BOTH sides.
At NO time have I been taken to court, at NO time has Stormpay presented a case showing where ~*I*~ owed STORMPAY collectible monies. AT NO time have I been made aware of any claim submitted by the above business requesting funds they sent to me be returned.
These are the entries STORMPAY generated WITHOUT cause... direct from my Stormpay History File:
6,xxx,xxxx 05/Feb/2006 12:21 Charge Back Complete To [email protected] $-xx,xxx.xx - $-xx,xxx.xx
5,xxx,xxx 06/Feb/2006 12:21 Charge Back Complete To [email protected] $-xx,xxx,xx - $-xx,xxx.xx
7,xxx,xxx 02/Feb/2006 22:25 Withdraw DDPS Cancelled To [email protected] $xx,xxx.xx - -
The cancellation of My Withdraw request - canceled by Stormpay without my consent.
the two CHARGE BACK entries generated by STORMPAY - not at My or 12DailyPro request.
Stormpay "froze" 12DailyPro's account ([email protected]), which was within their right.. HOWEVER Stormpay then initiated them self.. Not 12DailyPro, NOT I the purchaser,, STORMPAY then initiated Charge Backs against MY account on monies I received FROM 12DailyPro. In MY personal case Stormpay on 2/7/06 posted a reversal of funds received on 12/4/05 and on 12/16/05 from 12DailyPro. This act is totally outside of ANY agreement I or 12DailyPro entered into with them (stormpay) upon opening our accounts with Stormpay and through any subsequent modifications made to the Stormpay USER AGREEMENT. I do have copy of the USER AGREEMENT as it stood in effect on 2/7/06 (sorry I do not have one prior to 1/1/06 perhaps another stormpay user had the foresight to take one).
Not only were the funds of 12DailyPro "frozen",,, but accounts belonging to the business's of BASLABANK, AUTOSURFINSOMINIAPRO, ASI-DOUBLER, 50CENT2SURF and ALIENTRUST as well. These business's had their stormpay accounts Frozen (in essence canceled) AND Stormpay initiated charge backs against subscribers - (stormpay) account holders accounts who had prior transactions (funds received) with these business's.
While I only have personal direct knowledge of 12DailyPro and of STORMPAY initiated charge backs,, (monies taken from member accounts and returned to the "frozen" account, without knowledge, permission or desire for such an action by either the seller or purchaser)... , I am including a link to a forum where other Stormpay users have written about Stormpay initiated charge backs on the other companies. More business are likely mentioned, I just, personally, did not read them.
http://s15.invisionfree.com/AutoSurf...?showtopic=191
(I believe you have to register to even read at this forum) postings of members telling of chargebacks to their accounts sending monies to the various different business mentioned above
This link is to an article exposing Stormpay - their extent of deception on this. and many issues
http://www.fairtradeauthority.com/st...pro_report.php
I have actually been damaged by $xxx,xxx.xx (including non-stormpay purchased funds in other programs that have since closed over zeroed accounts with stormpay). Funds no longer collectible - YET -- funds the business owner will at some point gain control of again... just no longer will have a business with subscribers payment liabilities. Business closed - gone - by Direct result of Stormpay actions
Through Stormpays mass sweep of ALL subscriber accounts that have done business with any of the above mentioned FROZEN/cancled accounts, which may number more than I am personally aware of and mentioned, Stormpay did millions of dollars of charge backs (over $50 million based upon abc4 Utah news media reporting) , INTENTIONALLY (by Stormpay) bringing thousands of stormpay member accounts to ZERO.
No audit was done prior to these charge backs to attempt to determine if monies received from a FROZEN account by another stormpay account holder was above and beyond what the purchaser had originally sent. Was a purchase or refund for service other than "membership". etc. Such an audit could/would have indicated if funds were sent as a legitimate refund/payment from Seller to Purchaser. With Stormpays assertion that 12DailyPro (mentioned numerous times on abc4 news Utah and other news medias) is a scam / ponzi / pyramid scheme Stormpay claimed the right to protect all members from such activities. NO legal right to support them, implied or direct. NO REFERENCE, EVER, to any of the Numerous OTHER FROZEN accounts Stormpay Froze/cancled and initiated charge backs on.
With many Business Owners having funds within the Stormpay system,,, for what ever the reason.. (as a vehicle in which to purchase with other business's to parlay memberships monies into the proposed return their business promises... what ever the reason.). with many business owners having their funds within the stormpay system -- the business owner being a purchaser with one (or more) of the KNOWN now frozen/cancled accounts.. the vast majority were effected by having their stormpay (personal and/or business) accounts ZERO'ed via the Stormpay initiated charge backs - the removing of funds and sending to various other business accounts, without legal cause.
With this financial limitation on the business owner, Business funds confiscated with no indication of IF or When they might be released,, the business was now UNable to work with their capital. They were, in SOME cases, left with NO Business Capital as some used Stormpay exclusively. A vast majority of them simply closed.
EXAMPLE: this posted within the member area of 2Dollar4U site - a site that takes with it not only Stormpay funds (when if ever released back to their account) but also funds received via -- egold, sfi pay and int gold
1.Due to all of the problems that pay to surf sites are having recently, 2dollars4u will be closed on 11th March 2006. So far we have no fund in our account. For January earning: we cannot pay even 1 cents to members due the above case. We hope all of you understand what happened to pay to surf sites since last month. Please do not send any email about this situation as we will not reply it. Thanks for your understanding!
EXAMPLE: this email from a business owner that owned a total of 3 sites, could be more but 3 are known to me... 3 sites that takes with it not only Stormpay funds but also funds received via egold
To All Members,
I would like to let everyone know that I am shutting down my site
odysseysurf. A few others will close behind me like knightsurf and
shadowsurf. I have tried very hard to save my site, and even moved to
a different site in hopes of a better working script
This time it wasnt the site that was messed up, it was stormpay
that messed it up. About 95% of our members used stormpay and I cant
do anything with it. They put my balance at zero and I have waited to
see what will happen, only to see more chargebacks now putting me in
the minus which is wrong when there was plenty in there to pay
refunds atleast.
I know some dont believe me but this is the truth. Some peoples
accounts still work so they think I am lying but the sad thing is,
soon no ones account will work. I am very sorry to have to do this
but I have no choice. The damage is beyond recovery now. Again I am
very sorry to have to close this site but I have no choice.
These site closures are a Direct cause from Stormpays illegal actions. MY funds tied up in these now closed sites have become a total lost to me. Yet, IF or when the Business Owners funds are ever returned to them,,, they are now in receipt of funds rightfully due their original members. Members that are now UNable to receive payment.
ONE PAY PROCESSOR (stormpay) CAN NOT KNOW of ALL AN ACCOUNT HOLDERS assets. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FUNDS IN OTHER PAY PROCESSORS.
Some of the business owners, which accepted other MIDDLE MEN (internet payment processors) as well as Stormpay, now have all their Stormpay generated Income (capital) ZEROed.. while they have yet to closed down, and may never,, Stormpay member accounts with these business owners are currently considered FROZEN... as the business no longer has Stormpay funds to work with. Every Day the business owners funds are held (unlawfully) by Stormpay is a day that business owner can not generate additional revenue for its stormpay members.
NOTE - in MOST cases when the business remains open -- ONLY stormpay members are being harmed - denied access to earnings or refunds... as his business continues as usual for those members that purchased their service by EGOLD or some other MIDDLE MAN pay processor. Other pay processors where the business has access to their funds and are able to generate income for there members who purchased with that pay processor. -- Yet Not Always..
EXAMPLE: this site also accepts paypal and egold.. from 2/10 thru 4/1 ALL accounts (even those who bought membership via paypay and egold) are reduced to a 0% ROI to aid in recovery from stormpay held funds - ALSO stormpay members are further penalized as shown in this excerpt from the membership area.
FEB 22: DECISION ON STORMPAY UPGRADES
January 31st is the day that StormPay began to steal all our funds. It also marks the last day that was paid out (or will be paid out) from the January cashout round. I think it is logical that this be the last day that StormPay upgrades are honoured. Therefore, if an upgrade expired January 31st or before, then it will be left in your account. If an upgrade expires February 1st or after, then it must be removed. Likewise, any StormPay earnings from February 1st to 10th must be removed. Obviously NO PayPal or e-gold earnings will be removed, only STORMPAY earnings, and ONLY from February 1st to 10th. I know you are all suffering at the hands of StormPay also, so to help you out NO earnings from before February 1st will be removed. A database will be saved of all the StormPay upgrades that were removed so that i can refund members if StormPay ever releases our funds. This process may take up to a week to complete. If you have any questions feel free to email me.

EXAMPLE: this site accepted both stormpay and egold.. this is a message within their membership area -
Dear members,
as You already know at the beginning of the current month StormPay has closed, suspended and Frozen most of the autosurf owner's accounts.
We have patiently waited a couple of weeks to see if the situation would have come to an happy end but unfortunately it looks like nothing has changed yet and nothing will change soon.
We cannot abuse again of the patience of the members who upgraded through e-gold that, in our opinion have waited enough having nothing to share with this situation.
With this said we have decided to create 2 separate websites; the old one with all the PENDING STORMPAY cashouts that will be used as a reference for our stormpay users as well as working site for the last few days of surfing and e-gold cashouts. On the old website we don't allow upgrades.
On the new site (this one) we only accept e-gold and You can upgrade from now on.
Thanks,
SOME business owners,,, whom had the misfortune of having a good portion of their funds within the Stormpay system just to find their account ZERO'ed... Had members who did NOT use Stormpay to purchase by. YET, with the business closure, those NON Stormpay funds are lost as well. At some point in the future the business owners stormpay funds should become available to them..yet the business will remained closed - gone. ALL funds are still lost to the members. The business owner ends up with all the money,, Stormpay monies and funds still in the other pay processors - lost to the members due to the sudden closure.
EXAMPLE: this owner had numerous businesses,, all now closed, vanished,, with NON-stormpay monies in them,, but vanished 2/16 (simply get a page not found on all sites)
[email protected] $xx,xxx.xx USD using PayPal.
In EACH of these cases,, I find total DIRECT losses and the potential return on these funds now LOST - funds which had the probability of being paid as these sites WHERE paying sites before the stormpay illegal acts... While it can not be proven each of these business would have remained in business to the expiration date of membership and to final payment -- It is by the DIRECT and Illegal actions of Stormpay that it is now impossible to prove. It is by the Direct and Illegal actions of Stormpay that all these funds are now a total lost TO ME. (by the stormpay acts.. the owners will now benefit by not paying what they owe).
A point of information/interest... on 2/13 per the abc4 news (http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/ the listing of "2/13/06-10 p.m.-StormPay Executives Talk to Utahn Who Shows Up On Their Doorstep")... Stormpay Claims 12DailyPros' funds were frozen by order of an OFFICIAL AUTHORITY.. no mention to why the funds at all the other sites were included or if they too had OFFICIAL AUTHORITY to seize those business's funds. Yet NO OFFICIAL AUTHORITY has been named.. NO COURT ORDER documentation provided to support such a claim.
STORMPAYS ADMITS to having other 12DailyPro resources at its disposal: -- In this same broadcast - Stormpay claims that "not ALL of 12DailyPro's accounts were frozen, only One,,,," based upon Stormpay's USER AGREEMENT, Stormpay had the right to "cancel/terminate" any and all accounts associated with such an order, and subject them to the 180 hold. Stormpay would have known, and by their statement of "not ALL only ONE" admits knowledge of, exactly which accounts these might be. As per their USER AGREEMENT,, a person/entity may have only ONE account with them unless direct expressed permission by Stormpay is given. - - adding to their "had to have known" ability
Stormpay has other funds/assets, known by them to be the direct property of 12DailyPro, which Stormpay could have seize. Instead they opted for the ILLEGAL manipulation of Thousands of minor stormpay member accounts, minor members accounts who's only direct connection to 12DailyPro and 12DailyPros' assets was to be present or past purchasers of 12DailyPro services.
* Always remember that there are OTHER FROZEN accounts. with exact same Stormpay actions taken on them as were taken on the admin@12DailyPro account... business's as mentioned above -- Thousands of subscribers to these business's were also subjected to Stormpays Illegal removal of funds received..(BASLABANK, AUTOSURFINSOMINIAPRO, ASI-DOUBLER, 50CENT2SURF, ALIENTRUST and probably many more as these are only the sites I personally have read postings on regarding direct removal of funds from member accounts and sent back to the business account in the numerous forum sites on the Stormpay Issue)
From what can be understood/believed from the owners of these Frozen/cancled accounts.. NO contact was attempted by stormpay to satisfy a need to assure a business account was a viable business and not a ponzi / pyramid / scam. NO effort was made by Stormpay to request (except in the case of 12DailyPro whom claims to have complied) documented support to the business claim.. per the Stormpay USER AGREEMENT Stormpay would have had to make these requests to EACH AND EVERY BUSINESS,, and NOT received the requested documentation, to consider the company in violation of terms. Nowhere within their User Agreement does a "if your business claims to be a business in our BAN list of Business Account Types your account will be canceled" clause exist. Yet this could not be the case as per this forum (you do not have to be registered to read) http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/ind...?topic=28923.0 stormpay still honors SOME of "these types of business's".
In ALL of these actions by Stormpay,, who's only apparent excuse seems to be to act as a humanitarian to assure all members receive a portion of their spent monies back... Legal right never received by or naming Stormpay to assume such a position,, not ONCE has taken into consideration the members of these business's which never used Stormpay as their MIDDLE MAN pay processor in which to purchase from the selling business.
Is Stormpay expecting STORMPAY MEMBERS ONLY to cover all members,, funds (stollen from stormpay accounts only) contributed (against the members will, knowledge, consent) by STORMPAY member monies only - to give restitution to ALL members - even those who used EGOLD (or any other pay processor) to purchase? In MY personal case - the funds that were stolen from MY stormpay account and returned to the sellers' FROZEN account,,, is a business that had an other Pay Processor members could use to buy their service - Stormpay AND EGOLD. -- Regardless of the answer,, there is NO CURRENT way Stormpay could know all subscribers, which processor they purchased all purchases with, how much they purchased, how much they received into which processor -- none of this vital information is within Stormpays (or any legal authority's) control.
***** IF an OFFICIAL AUTHORITY sanctioned (with a WRIT,, a Court ORDER) Stormpay to act as LEGAL humanitarian,,, IF an OFFICIAL AUTHORITY, sanctioned with a WRIT,, a Court ORDER to have Stormpay freeze AND seize from any and all purchasers any and ALL funds ever received from the listed business(s) within the Writ/Court order - without regard to funds ever paid into the business, without regard to other funds the business could have received via other PayProcessors.... is it then the OFFICIAL AUTHORITY we the injured Stormpay members must sue? As their negligence to organize a JOINT EFFORT.. efforts to seize the business assets from ALL payment processors these business monies may be in.. as well as any and all other ASSETS at the business's disposal... as well as at the same moment to raid and seize any and all business records including but not limited to MEMBERSHIP base records so determination could be made to see which member was due which portion of the business's assets, and from where, in form of restitution?
Without the business records, it is impossible to determine which monies ever sent to a business was for the ponzi / pyramid scheme STORMPAY asserts the business is.. ASSERTS without legal fact or basis... or if was for direct return of a direct service such as advertising spots. Advertising exposure received. or any other tangible and received service.
By Stormpay's accusations and actions,,, ONLY STORMPAY Members are suffering and seem will be expected to cover restitution to all of a business's members, even restitution for funds not being held within the stormpay system.. and possibly already returned to a member via one of the other Pay Processors the business used. Without actual physical records obtained On The Date of the very First Stormpay initiated charge back of each and every business,,, there is no proof available to any Legal Authority to assure whom is Legally deserving of what. There is NO way to determine what a members actual and final exposure is. No Possible means for any organization, public or private run,.. to assure funds dispersed are true and actuate figures, except for the CLAIMED scam / ponzi / pyramid business - who's records have been in their sole possession the entire time.
Had Stormpay had the legal right/order to seize funds from other stormpay account holders regardless of their involvement with the Business Sites who's accounts were FROZEN, It is my understanding Stormpay had the obligation to inform each member directly (not through a site posting) of their actions, the cause that gave legal right to their actions (the naming of the "OFFICIAL AUTHORITY AND TYPE OF DOCUMENT SERVED ON THEM, and what IF any legal recourse their subscriber had against whom.
As In a Court Order to a Banking Institute, known to hold funds of an Individual, is required to remove any and all funds up to but not to exceed the dollar amount within the Court Order (less bank fees charged for complying) is required to send via U.S. Postal service notice to their account holder of their actions... so would have Stormpay by any logical reasoning thinking. This has NEVER been done. No direct contact was received upon the removal of MY funds from MY stormpay account. I would never have been the wiser if I had not attempted to spend monies I thought still existed in it. Their First action against me was on 2/7/06 and of this writing (enter date) I have received nothing regarding their actions against my account, what OFFICIAL AUTHORITY gave them the legal right to said actions against my account - namely but not limited to the removal of funds - or information on my rights under their terms and laws of the land to debate, rebuke or otherwise file a counter claim, whom to contact, or where. At NO time have I received information on their "claimed" special holding / handling of MY funds into a trust account.. Which Trust account, where this trust account resides, whom has control of this trust account, whom has or will be believed to have authorization to disperse funds from this trust account... and many more questions regarding my ability to access proper claim against this claimed trust account to receive MY funds back. Nor has any stormpay user involved - that they have bothered to post anyway.
Should Stormpay have been served and required to place a hold on a business's funds.. they would not have attempted to hide their actions with innuendos, slander (against the business), or have taken their system off line (as there is a posting where one person contacted the stormpay hosting service and their reply was to disavow any knowledge of extended DDOS attacks as per stormpays claim - http://s15.invisionfree.com/AutoSurf...?showtopic=247.. ) to prevent any subscriber access to account information. Should Stormpay have been served LEGALLY and LEGALLY proceeded to abide to the Court Order, There would be no reason for them to hide, and continue to hide their actions. There would be constant communication with their subscribers to attempt to subside their concerns and assure them what they (stormpay) were doing in their (the subscribers) interest. There would have been any and every attempt to retain as many (stormpay) subscribers to the Stormpay service.
As this is NOT the case.. one must assume ALL Stormpay has done (in this all encompassing case including but not limited to the 12DailyPro account) has NO LEGAL sanction in or of any form.
IF there was an on-going investigation by an OFFICIAL AUTHORITY.. actions would NOT have been taken which would have hindered or exposed said on going investigation. As Actions Were Taken,, and NO OFFICIAL AUTHORITY has been given credit for the actions... and as Stormpays actions put aside the need for secrecy, there could NOT be a gag order imposed upon stormpay via the OFFICIAL AUTHORITY to NOT divulge any information. Nor has Stormpay attempted to claim they are not allowed to divulge this information.. Stormpay simply evades naming them.
Based on the above -- I there by determined MY personal losses are over and above actual cash put into the Stormpay system, Over and Above the actual cash which was REMOVED from my account and put into some unknown "trust" account yet by all indications was given back to the frozen business account itself. Stormpay has injured ME directly by its direct actions, Direct ILLEGAL actions by all indications.
Stormpay's User Agreement requires me to hold them harmless against disputes with sellers and seller actions.. requires me to hold Stormpay harmless against any fees I might incur to gain LEGAL right for Stormpay (or anyone) to take necessary steps to Attempt to retrieve My funds in dispute with a seller. There is NOTHING stating I have to hold Stormpay harmless regarding their direct ILLEGAL actions.. and even if there was,, I feel that clause would NOT hold up in a court of law. Restitution for My additional losses caused by the snow ball effect of Stormpays actions, I deem more that a justifiable and Legal recourse and cause.
To a Side and Personal Comment -- Should StormPay Inc. et al, be found to have acted above and beyond its legal right in any or all of these actions... It Is THIS citizens view that -- FEDERAL and STATE Prosecution against Stormpay Inc., its officers, its employees and et at (like a J.Doe 1 through One Zillion) Is necessary. Further that StormPay Inc., its officers, its employees and et at (like a J.Doe 1 through One Zillion), based upon past illegal activities be PERMANENTLY BANNED from ever being allowed to have any type of involvement, directly or indirectly, with ANY form of Money handling/processing Institute.. including but not limited to Banks, Pay Processors, Internet based or not

Great article, everyone who lost money with StormPay READ THIS NOW! FILE Your Claim against these Crooks "StormPay" while you still have a chance!

Yeah, but getting it out wasn't always so easy, especially outside of the US. I had $1700 in there (all gone now, thanks to SP stealing it). I was waiting for the debit cards to come back in stock, as that was the easiest way of getting money, but they kept getting delayed.
Next, I tried a WT, but the minimum is $2500. Eventually I gave in and ordered a dollar cheque, knowing that I'd be killed on charges and transfer rates by my bank. But, a few days after ordering it, it got cancelled by SP.

I tried to get it out, but couldn't.