Thread: 12DP/Charis Update

My investment is still in 12dailypro. I was in the middle of an upgrade when the site went down. I had used money orders paid to egold and then later switched over to stormpay. I doubt if I will ever get my money back. marylee9

Originally Posted by poster45

neno,

Was this money still in your StormPay account going to 12DP or had the money reached 12DP???

poster

Sorry for being so late in getting back. But both for me. For some reason they refunded my account on my third $600.00 a couple days after upgrading. So I drew it out to my bank account then closed stormpay and went to my bank and and told them of this happening.

They said to me that they can do a charge back for me. I said ok then, do it. took about 4 days and my bank called me and said you need to come down and sign a complaint forum for your 1200.00 to be put back to your account. I spead down signed and then took the family out to eat.

That was it for me. Now I didn't get the 12% daily compound for those two 600.00 payments. But I did get all my principle money back, 1800.00 total.

neno,

Thanks for reply.
I think I will give that a shot also.

No problem in late reply, we all have other things to do.
Have a great week.

poster

Hi, I'm from the uk.

No doubt like most others I received emails from Stormpay advising me it was illegal to do a chargeback - they had $400 of mine, no profit.

I waited a while then got an email from the US SEC which told me I could do a chargeback ... so, guess what? - I did one, not only for my 12DP money but also for that silly bloody credibility NetIBA thing they sold everyone.

There was no problem at-all - every penny was repaid to my Visa card.

Thought you'd like to know.

Cheers

Callum

Currently in process with my Credit Card Company to charge back on StormPay.
Will let you know what happens.

poster

Hi the last time I checked my stormpay account, the money was still registered. 12DP had received the money. How can I get back my money if if it went through another's account?

Wisehead

WOW,

This is amazing, $500M from apartment operation by Charis, this makes PIPS look like Chicken POOP operation. Simply amazing to think she moved that much money in and out of ecurrencies. Well, I hope no one here made any money on this deal as it has been announced court appointed receiver is going after profits and since he took a COOOOL MILLION off the top to stretch this out to the max, you can count on it that he will be coming after anyone who profited.

Now this is scary, and the first case I have seen where they go after the investors. What is this world coming to? I am glad I didn't make any money with IRS also snooping into anyone who uses ecurrencies. What an interesting case this will be to follow as it will set new legal precedent in U.S., and maybe elsewhere since our U.S. procedures are often replicated and used as precedent elsewhere in world. Sure hope Malaysian authorities don't go after the PIPSTERS who claim to have made money. Thomas F. Lennon, Inc.

Good luck to all, Mike

Thomas F. Lennon, Inc.

Funny - I just posted a point in the "Bryan Arrested" thread wondering if they'd go after Pipsters that made a profit and then I read this. Great minds think alike, Mike.

I would have profited from 12DP, but Stormpay stole it all back again so I guess I'm Ok. If I get some of it back that'd be good. I did do a chargeback from my CC company, which they initially granted but then refused after "investigating".

Wow! Check this out Almost a half million email addresses.....


"After an initial search of 12DP records and the addition of information received directly from 12DP investors, the Receiver sent an updated letter via email to 207,704 investors on May 21, 2006. While some of these were duplicative of those addressees in the first email group, most were new addresses. Subsequently, after additional information was retrieved from the 12DP servers and further investor input was received, a comparative elimination was carried out by the Receiver, and an updated letter was sent to 452,199 email addressees on July 18, 2006."





More interesting INfo!


"Nevertheless, as of that date, the Receiver has been able to conclude that the
ten investors that appear to have the greatest net losses (defined as total investment
less total returns) lost a total of $218,115, with the biggest loss being $49,901. The
ten investors with the greatest net gains, had aggregate gains of $1,657,868. The
investor with the largest gain appears to have obtained $512,621 in profits. There
appear to be approximately 64,000 investors with losses of less than $500 and
approximately 5,100 investors with losses over $5,000. Approximately 4.1,000
investors did not sustain a net loss at all"



Also this one...... watch out they are coming for you.....

"The Receiver will also identify and, to the extent practicable,
pursue those individuals who have received ill-gotten gains or who are in possession
of property of the Receivership Entities."

Originally Posted by nej

Funny - I just posted a point in the "Bryan Arrested" thread wondering if they'd go after Pipsters that made a profit and then I read this. Great minds think alike, Mike.

I would have profited from 12DP, but Stormpay stole it all back again so I guess I'm Ok. If I get some of it back that'd be good. I did do a chargeback from my CC company, which they initially granted but then refused after "investigating".

Funny nej,

Yes, I did see your post, and it is going to be interesting to see all those who pulled in the big money at the expense of others will be sorry in the end. This was the first time I have seen this stated and I was wondering when they would start this strategy of going after promoters of scams. I know they can charge representatives, but this is not as easy as simply freezing the accounts of those who profited, so if ever there was a clear and distinct RED FLAG, this is it.

For those who made the profits in 12DP, make sure you keep your stash of cash safe, and don't have it is any bank accounts for you will be put in the same postion as most who are attacked, flat broke and in a position you will have to defend yourself, not a good position to be in. The laws under civil attacks is you are guilty until proven innocent, and they can seize all your assets in a snap of the fingers, so beware, the game is over for scammers like Charis.

Good luck to all, Mike