Thread: Believe me or not a visit to PIP's

Boots there is only about 100,000 members in total and together they have that have over 100 million outstanding plus another 25 mil in merchant wd's.

torben, it was very nice to hear from you. Welcome!

Originally Posted by creativecat

Actually....I thought the Good Book says that "Faith is the evidence of things not seen........" Hebrews Chapter 11 verse one I think???

Originally Posted by pips9756

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Knowledge is the belief in something for which there is evidence. Faith is the belief in something for which there is *no* evidence.
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That's what I mean by "no evidence" -- not seen. I said it that way because those without faith consider evidence as something they can experience only with their physical senses. They often say, "I'll believe it when I see it". To them, it doesn't exist until they experience it.

Those with faith might say "I'll see it (in the physical world) when I believe." To them, all possibilities exist in the spiritual (God's) realm. God creates all things (some-thing, any-thing) out of no-thing (that which is invisible to the human senses).

:shock: I am sure i seen your name on the forum there torben. :shock:

I am very sorry to give you the impression of 'using' your name for 'promoting' 'my' program. (sure wish it would be mine :lol: )

I whole heartly appologise, if that was the case.

I did mention your name as i have respect for you and your work.
We also chatted in Hawaii i know that for sure..lol


Again, sorry for any trouble, it wasnt any intension at all.
I will now edit the post reffering to you.


greets

necromancer :D

Originally Posted by pablo

And therefore he would have intimate knowledge of how easy it was to solve the very problems that are plaguing us right now? It doesnt hold up.

nothing easy about getting regulators off your back!!

According to the consultant, the regulators are NOT on PIPS back!!!

Originally Posted by onfortheride

Originally Posted by pablo

And therefore he would have intimate knowledge of how easy it was to solve the very problems that are plaguing us right now? It doesnt hold up.

nothing easy about getting regulators off your back!!

Just remember there is more than one torben in Pips

First, I trust the original post's author. Call me naive, but I know invhope from further correspondence and he should go make a living as an actor if he's a troll or report a fake one .

Nevertheless I second some of the replies above...

Originally Posted by pablo

(...) Invhope we appreciate your effort but i too have friends that have visited recently and given totally contradictory reports. Everyone will come away with a different view on how things are. I know they were there, they gave me detailed descriptions, and have met B many times. But i have not sat down and given a second hand report of what they saw, as its not provable, the meetings were informal. News like this cannot be accepted without definite proof - so you ought to wrap it in rumour quotes or something. (...)

Originally Posted by bengbang

(...) Your message contains nothing that we have not already heard from other sources. (...) But I also think your associate is right when it comes to what state Pips is in at the moment. I was lucky enough to read the Q&A session UK members held with one of the UK consultants hired by BM to straighten things out (I think this was last week.) The report was good because of honest, well balanced answers. The UK consultant made it clear that P is in serious trouble. At the same time he made it very clear that this does not necessary means the end of P.

I see all rumors and reports as opinions until proven as facts. Also that goes for any possible positive news from BM. If he states that P will be ok, I see it as an opinion. Only when money hits my bank it's a fact... :Cool:

Originally Posted by pips9756

The bottom line Will BM figure out a way to pay us? I hope so. It doesn't matter how it looks or how long it's taking. All that matters is that BM doesn't quit. So, until he quits...I will not lose hope!

Thanks for putting things in perspective!

Originally Posted by invhope

(...) He is taking money out of the company to pay for the conventions. (...) what would be better (...) is to take that convention money and pay all the members. That would encourage people to establish some if not all hope and faith in Bryan. (...)

@invhope (hi Shawn), I'm afraid this is speculation which just feeds negative perception... so one should be careful with these kind of thoughts. Or do you actually know this? And which convention(s) do you have in mind? As I can imagine e.g. mini conventions' organisers counted on P*P* account(s) to pay the bills and considering P**P** $ delay's ... So unfortunately it's most likely the organisers' and attendents' (hard) money paying... not P*P*'s.

p.s. The pro's & con's about 0% invest and withdraw to P**P** (or not) are already discussed elsewhere (fwiw I remember OU812's point being mentioned there too). If you don't have time & knowledge to search & figure it out (like me), you're best betting on two horses... and indeed (as this won't cost you anything) take screenshots too.

@Pablo: congrats!!! I hope she's a good sleeper :-).