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17-08-2005, 12:30 PM #41
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17-08-2005, 12:37 PM #42
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Originally Posted by hirok
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17-08-2005, 01:21 PM #43
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I spoke to them yesterday afternoon about 3.30 and they helped me and all was fine.
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17-08-2005, 01:24 PM #44
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This is beyond belief. :shock: :shock: :shock:
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17-08-2005, 01:38 PM #45
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Why would "cell phones" be taken away?? I read that and it didn't make sense. I could understand database, documents etc but why cell phones. If this raid is true and PxPS is legit, this will be a very good thing. After investigation and all they can find is that they are having trouble using banks in transferring money then action will have to be taken to free up that money. This is just my opinion but as long as they see that they are able to make what they offer then everything will be ok.. We are all in this bc we believe in it and that is all we can do (raid or not).
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17-08-2005, 02:16 PM #46
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probably had phone numbers on them of contacts?
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17-08-2005, 02:39 PM #47
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The cell phone take away is bull shit. Right now i can see RINA (PIP support) online at Yahoo messenger using her mobile cell phone.
Also i called her cell phone and talked with she.
By the way, im a lawyer student in 4th year, and NO WAY , any part of the world a Bank have the authoritie to take away equipment or rush into a building. All the Negara Bank could do was report it, but they cant nor they have the authoritie to do that. The only who can do that is the POLICE with a Judge order and it must be accompained in every moment by a PROSECUTOR during the RAID
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17-08-2005, 02:45 PM #48
Originally Posted by tarzancio
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17-08-2005, 02:57 PM #49
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hmm, are ya?
can you explain this then i got from a forum?
Hi:
Owen may be lying but one fact is that the central bank has power to search and seize.
The following text is from the subject act (found on net using google)
Powers of entry, search and seizure 45. (1) Where an investigating officer is satisfied, or has any reason to believe, that any person has committed an offence under this Act, he may, if in his opinion it is reasonably necessary to do so for the purpose of investigating into such offence—
(a) enter any premises and there search for, seize and detain any property, apparatus, equipment, machinery, computer, computer output, data, book or other document;
(b) have access to, inspect, make copies of, or take extracts from, any computer, computer output, book or other document so seized and detained, including access to any program or data held in any computer or have access to, inspect or check the operation of any computer and any associated apparatus or material;
(c) take possession of, and remove from the premises, any equipment, apparatus, machinery, property, computer, computer output, data, book or other document so seized and detained;
(d) search any person who is in, or on, such premises, and for the purpose of such search detain such person and remove him to such place as may be necessary to facilitate such search, and seize and detain any equipment, apparatus, machinery, property, computer, computer output, data, book or other document found on such person;
(e) break open, examine, and search, any article, container or receptacle, including accessing into a computer; or
(f) stop, detain or search any conveyance.
(2) In exercising his powers under subsection (1), an investigating officer may if it is necessary so to do—
and this:
I have no idea whether or not the police were involved. I don't really see why they should have been. This is a fuller excerpt of the powers of the bank:
"Powers of entry, search and seizure 45. (1) Where an investigating officer is satisfied, or has any reason to believe, that any person has committed an offence under this Act, he may, if in his opinion it is reasonably necessary to do so for the purpose of investigating into such offence— (a)enter any premises and there search for, seize and detain any property, apparatus, equipment, machinery, computer, computer output, data, book or other document; (b)have access to, inspect, make copies of, or take extracts from, any computer, computer output, book or other document so seized and detained, including access to any program or data held in any computer or have access to, inspect or check the operation of any computer and any associated apparatus or material; (c)take possession of, and remove from the premises, any equipment, apparatus, machinery, property, computer, computer output, data, book or other document so seized and detained; (d)search any person who is in, or on, such premises, and for the purpose of such search detain such person and remove him to such place as may be necessary to facilitate such search, and seize and detain any equipment, apparatus, machinery, property, computer, computer output, data, book or other document found on such person; (e)break open, examine, and search, any article, container or receptacle, including accessing into a computer; or (f)stop, detain or search any conveyance. (2) In exercising his powers under subsection (1), an investigating officer may if it is necessary so to do— (a)break open any outer or inner door of any premises and enter thereinto; (b)forcibly enter such premises and every part thereof; (c)remove by force any obstruction to such entry, search, seizure, detention or removal as he is empowered to effect; or (d)detain all or any person found on any premises, or in any conveyance, searched under subsection (1) until such premises or conveyance has been searched. (3) An investigating officer shall for the purposes of this section be provided with the necessary password, encryption code, decryption code, software or hardware and any other means required to enable comprehension of any program or data held in any computer including in a form in which the information contained in a computer can be taken away and in which it is visible and legible. (4) A list of all things seized in the course of a search made under this section and of the premises in which they are respectively found shall be prepared by the investigating officer conducting the search and signed by him. (5) The occupant of the premises entered under subsection (1), or any person on his behalf, shall in every instance be permitted to attend during the search, and a copy of the list prepared and signed under this section shall be delivered to such occupant or person at his request. (6) An investigating officer shall, unless otherwise ordered by any court— (a)on the close of investigations or any proceedings arising therefrom; or (b)with the prior written consent of any officer of the Bank authorised by the Governor to act on the Governor’s behalf for this purpose, or of any investigating officer superior to him in rank, at any time before the close of investigations, release any property, apparatus, equipment, machinery, computer, computer output, data, book or other document seized, detained or removed by him or any other investigating officer, to such person as he determines to be lawfully entitled to the property, apparatus, equipment, machinery, computer, computer output, data, book or other document if he is satisfied that it is not required for the purpose of any prosecution or proceedings under this Act, or for the purpose of any prosecution under any other written law."
It goes on with "Search of Person", "Obstruction to exercise of powers by an investigating officer", "Power to examine persons", "Seizure of movable property in financial institution", and on and on and on...
It makes no mention of police whom I suspect would only be called upon if the company resisted the efforts of the examiners.Originally Posted by tarzancio
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17-08-2005, 03:10 PM #50
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too many speculations...to many possibilities... :roll:
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