Thread: A Humble Request (Merged)

No need to pm it to you.

Keith made statements to members who he talked to in PIPS both via pm's as well as in Hawaii that Burn had been let go because he had been found stealing money out of members accounts.

Okay, thanks for your reply.

Burn always seemed so nice and helpful. It's really sad to think that this accusation is true. But you seem to believe that it is...do you have other reasons for believing it was true, other than that Kieth was very vocal about it? Hasn't Kieth's own credibility been rather tarnished?

Just wondering.....

Caroline

Originally Posted by Caroline

Okay, thanks for your reply.

Burn always seemed so nice and helpful. It's really sad to think that this accusation is true. But you seem to believe that it is...do you have other reasons for believing it was true, other than that Kieth was very vocal about it? Hasn't Kieth's own credibility been rather tarnished?

Just wondering.....

Caroline

It's hard to know. One thing is certain, Burn did leave Pips. His daughter was sick. If he would have been emptying Pipster's accounts for large amounts as we were led to assume, he would not have needed to go asking for financial help from members, on forums as he did.

Another aside: No news ever came out of Pips offices that was unintentional, so why was the information (unsolicited) given so freely by Keith at the Hawaiian convention?

Keith's credibility went into the drain, along with Gary's, Nazir's, Warrens, several staff from picpay and a few dozen pips members, some TG dancers, and OwenSplatt.

Do I think what Burn had done was with pre-entent? No I don't. I do think that the explaination of his child was correct, and perhaps working with all that money day in and day out, being in a desparate situation with a child, could cause you to tip into a till, especially if you come from a poor country and see all these 'rich' people sending checks and money orders....But if it had been the large sums which Keith spoke of, I doubt that Burn would have been in the forums looking for assistance.

This isn't to point fingers at Burn, he was at the wrong place, doing the wrong act at the wrong time. But, this is to show that the were key employees finger dipping other than the selected golden boys of PIPS...
Money was walking out the back door of PIPS, and someone had to authorize it.

Originally Posted by Caroline

I can see this picture now.

It's all very sad. I'm feeling pretty depressed after reading all of this. It's pretty hard, frankly, to imagine Bryan being able to put all of this back together again, if the investigation is ever finished.

Who can he ever trust to help him? Surely he and his wife can't do all of this alone.

And, besides, where will he find a hosting company that won't be knuckle under to pressure?

Caroline

Actually, with some new programming... Mr. Bryan could have all of this automated to the point it would have minimal hands on..

Most of the issues towards the end revolved around fraudulent PicPay.. Had measures been taken earlier on, this issue could have possibly been eliminated or greatly reduced..

My personal opinion is this, Pips should have had the audit step when funds sat in 'Available Funds'. Require a 72 hour hold (or whatever number appropriate), to scan funds. Once allowed to enter the system, they would have been known to be clean. If funds found were dirty, then, that account could have been frozen....

The hub of Pips, again in my opinion, centers around 'Available Funds'. Nobody knows these answers better than Mr. Bryan, and wouldn't want to compete with the level of details he must have had to face daily...

In the core, you are looking at 11+ businesses, at the helm, one person facing the complaints of 80,000+ pissed off members... Mix in with that, folks that, for a lack of better things to do, alert every body in the world, most cases, they aren't even members! Again, they scream "Stole", but I am screaming "Loaned"... Big difference!

4D

Originally Posted by 4dataxman

In Hawaii, Bryan stated that the 'license' had been officially accepted. The next steps would be to secure real estate, then hire staff to get it up and running...

Yes, I was in Hawaii...

4D

So this report from the Hawaiian Convention is not correct??
"Bryan addressed the withdrawal issues by stating that the world financial institutions have resisted and hindered PIPS because of perceived threat to their abilities to profit off others (as banks do), which is the incentive for his “BIG ANNOUNCEMENT” that PIPS is establishing PIC Bank in Cambodia. The license should complete within the next 30 days, the facility has been purchased, cooperation is there from the Cambodian government (PIC Bank is very much wanted and encouraged there by them), management and main staff have been hired and the PIC Bank is expected to be operational within three months."

I guess that either;
1) The report is bogus and it is not what Bryan stated to everyone, or
2) While you were in Hawaii 4D, you were not listening well.

Hmmm... Lots of information floating around...right...wrong...indifferent?

Well well well !!!

Wish I could come in here more but there is so much work to do. I commend those that are standing tall and keeping the focus on where the focus should be, Gary and the gang. I would say the stooges but there are too many to make three!

Some ask for facts and I say to you, the facts are there, some see more and some see less but they are there. One that looks at many facts will see the truth better than one that sees only a few facts. It is like look through a large window or a small window of the forest, some will see the forest looking through the large window yet those looking through the small window will see but one tree. The fact is both see the same thing but perceive it as different yet does it mean to the small window that he does not see the forest? No, he sees the forest, that is a fact, but he sees only part of the truth - the whole truth is revealed when he looks through the large window. Yet, the truth can not be denied by those looking through the small window nor should they say the forest does not exist for it does and they should not tell others it does not exist just because they are not allowed to see through the large window. So do not tell those that have a large window we do not see the forest.

When I look for my enemies I look where they hide. Deep within the bowels of the world there is a place where these guys all go for in the light they can not hide. They wish to come out and grab more of you because they are losing and they know it. Think where did all that money go? Think what happened to Vic Trading, ah did they run out of our money? Now they want more and they want you to follow them, if you like living in the dark always wondering if someone like me is going to find you then follow. If you want to open your eyes and start to see out of larger and large windows then stick around.

Mr. A. you have always kept the focus on where ever it is needed, good job my man.

Ah, largo you are a bright chap and I commend you for all your words of wisdom, keep your ears and eyes on what is right and you will find the truth as it is.

Ms P. I think you are a Ms., you are most intelligent and your perception of what is right and what is not, well you are so correct. You read well between the lines and know well where to look. I see that your window is much larger than most so you see what needs to be seen for the truth to be revealed to all of you. This goes for Mr. A. also for he sees in wide span and knows the forest is there.

For those that can not grasp this like pippyman and all the rest, stop for a moment and do not try to find things that are not there. Stop asking questions that will not get answers. Do not look so deep that you miss the stones on the surface. I say the live deep but their tunnel is narrow and what you need to know is not there, it is within the truth which is in the wide open. What has been told to you by Bryan is the truth, he stands in the light and has never hidden from you. Guilt likes darkness, truth craves light, truth is light. Stop looking into the shadows to find the truth, it is there that the guilty hide. I see them, they know they are there.

If you want answers to questions that regard Gary and the gang, ask them. Why do people defend them ? Who -- who I ask defends Bryan?

Stand tall and stand up for Bryan. He has stood long enough without his members standing with him. If he was guilty of one thing it was that he tried to believe in a few men. These men had one agenda and that was to take the vision away from Bryan and all of you members. They took money from you, they took your dreams. Why are you now screaming at Bryan for it? If you want it and you want your dreams, stand up and shout: I want our money back and we want it now Gary, now Warren, now Robin, Now Mark -- and all the rest. Make them accountable for it, point fingers at the bad guys, when you do you will see the truth rise up so you will be looking through that big window, the forest will be there and you will see within that forest Gary and the gang with heads hopefully bowed in shame, I do hope there is at least some shame in them for some salvation on their souls.

I must go, be well my friends, know that Bryan is well and does care deeply about all of you and most of all he still believes in that vision. I said to him there is always hope because it is hope that energizes all dreams to become reality. If you have faith, there is hope and if there is hope there will be reality. Know this.

Peace ---

the green beret

Originally Posted by azmia

Keith's credibility went into the drain, along with Gary's, Nazir's, Warrens, several staff from picpay and a few dozen pips members, some TG dancers, and OwenSplatt.

But, this is to show that the were key employees finger dipping other than the selected golden boys of PIPS...
Money was walking out the back door of PIPS, and someone had to authorize it.

Where does the idea of missing money comes from? Our PicPay acounts were adding the money clockwise - was it just numbers on the screen? In no occasion did Bryan or other PIPS officials made any reference to money being missing or stolen. Bryan always affirmed that the money is not a problem, and the problem was residing with the payment processors.

Originally Posted by thegreenberet

Stand tall and stand up for Bryan. He has stood long enough without his members standing with him. If he was guilty of one thing it was that he tried to believe in a few men. These men had one agenda and that was to take the vision away from Bryan and all of you members. They took money from you, they took your dreams. Why are you now screaming at Bryan for it? If you want it and you want your dreams, stand up and shout: I want our money back and we want it now Gary, now Warren, now Robin, Now Mark -- and all the rest. Make them accountable for it, point fingers at the bad guys, when you do you will see the truth rise up so you will be looking through that big window, the forest will be there and you will see within that forest Gary and the gang with heads hopefully bowed in shame, I do hope there is at least some shame in them for some salvation on their souls..

Beside the fact we are aware about (they left Bryan), do you have any other evidences to support your beliefs? I need some solid ground before I start shouting at them to give me my money.

Regarding standing up for Bryan, he got quite of support during PIPS live and after its shut down. If members support is fading, maybe Bryan's attitude has somethig to do with it?

Originally Posted by way2go

Where does the idea of missing money comes from? Our PicPay acounts were adding the money clockwise - was it just numbers on the screen? In no occasion did Bryan or other PIPS officials made any reference to money being missing or stolen. Bryan always affirmed that the money is not a problem, and the problem was residing with the payment processors.
When someone does a "chargeback" (that their not entitled to)...I hate to tell ya....that's stolen money! So, yes, Bryan did talk about "stolen money".


Beside the fact we are aware about (they left Bryan), do you have any other evidences to support your beliefs? I need some solid ground before I start shouting at them to give me my money.

And where's your/their proof they didn't? Everybody keeps screaming "Bryan show us...Bryan tell us...", but Bryan wasn't the only one running the company. Where's the rest of them and why aren't you asking?

Regarding standing up for Bryan, he got quite of support during PIPS live and after its shut down. If members support is fading, maybe Bryan's attitude has somethig to do with it?

Well I'm not sorry to say....I'll be counted as one of the ones still standing up for him! I know that I would not have the stamina that he has had to still keep trying to work this out. And for the perserverance and integrity he has shown to stick through all this and still forge ahead....I have to say, "I salute you, Mr. Marsden and you deserve my loyalty!"

IF you now longer have faith in him, and believe none of what's been brought to the forefront in this thread....the big question is still....WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Hm...I have never heard that Burn had been stealing...and I find it very hard to believe! Because then he would have been kicked out - and if he had been kicked out he should have been mad - and then he wouldn't say or write positive things about Bryan and PIPS. And he is the ONLY one (that I can recall) that has talked in a positive way about PIPS and BM after resigning...
And about his daughter's health: if I remember correctly (but I may have dreamt this) he resigned because he had to move to another part of Malaysia with a better climate, since his daughter has some eye problem. She is small; they were expecting her in Malaysia (I mean at the Langkawi convention LOL)
/Karin
I may be wrong of course...