Thread: A Humble Request (Merged)

Originally Posted by guest1

I found it hard to believe too. When I asked after Burn, of Keith, at the Hawaii convention, since he wasn't there, this was the reason that I was given. I was completely taken aback.

Now that was told to me personally, face to face. Not hearsay, not third hand information.

yes i also reaclled this.
Burn always supported pips.

I have to agree with Yogi. PIPS, as we knew it, is gone for ever. Son of PIPS is what we might have if all goes well with this investigation. Bryan implied this in one of his early posts on RolClub.

There will have to be a full restructuring of the programme and full automation too so that sticky fingers cannot raid the till. This will take time and all the rules will have to be in place before any launch. (We must remember that there was fraud amongst the joining members with chargebacks etc.) It may be that we are not happy with the tough regime there will need to be to protect the majority.

Bryan will have learned greatly from this horrible experience. Not every one shared his dream in its entirity - many saw it as a get rich quick scheme.

If we wish for a programme similar to PIPS to be available then we should be prepared to sign up to a set of rules that we fully agree to - including the number of withdrawals we can make, the fact that no money paid in will be eligible for withdrawal for a minimum of 6 months - even though it may be earning interest/return - so that any one making a charge back will not be able to benefit etc. etc. etc.

The membership of any such programme has a responsibility to the programme, the other members and to the management and the DREAM, so that everyone benefits and the charitities receive the maximum on a regular basis.

I joined GWPI because of its charitible ethic and was delighted when PIPS was the saviour of that programme when it failed because of the non-compliance of the members in paying their dues. I still believe in the Dream, and I support Bryan.

There are a number of good points being raised in this thread but I would urge caution when casting stones - they might be aimed at the innocent.

Originally Posted by chantryhil5

There are a number of good points being raised in this thread but I would urge caution when casting stones - they might be aimed at the innocent.

Couldn't agree more chantry, especially where some of the sources are coming from as being verifiable! *shudder*

Originally Posted by goldenoldie

Sounds to me like maybe it was Keith and friends who had their hands in the cookie jar.........and tried to make a scapegoat out of Burn

Jo

I agree. I think Keith saw Burn as vulnerable and thought who better to use in this situation.

Originally Posted by thegreenberet

When I look for my enemies I look where they hide. Deep within the bowels of the world there is a place where these guys all go for in the light they can not hide. They wish to come out and grab more of you because they are losing and they know it. Think where did all that money go? Think what happened to Vic Trading, ah did they run out of our money? the green beret

OUR money indeed, greenberet !!!

Methinks our darksider's didn't plan their venture very well. Purchasing and re-selling antiquities is a monetarily risky business. They assumed that many would join their venture, and if I remember correctly, it was for a pretty steep chunk of change. So very few, if any join, their sitting on a glut of merchandise, and they go out of business.

And now, Gary and his crew, which includes Keith, are petrified and scrambling for money, and are once again targeting unsuspecting Pips members.

Enough of this !!!!!

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I have thought about those that say "Pips as we know it is no more". I guess it is a matter of perspective, as are all things. Inasmuch as YOU no longer exist as the person you were yesterday (except for those sad folks who cannot end the cycle of self-incrimination and despair), I would agree - Pips is not what is once was. I, for one, am not ready to turn my back however.

HR has certainly taken a turn from where we were just a short week ago. It seems that we have skipped ahead to the "Whodunit" portion of the program. Fair enough. In reading what some have said, I shake my head slowly and sadly. In realizing that we have now been visited by Green Berets......well, you have gotten the attention of not only myself, but others as well. I guess my warning of "uncomfortable news" may have been slightly understated, as they (?) have stated what I have hinted at all along......

Oh, well. High road. Thank you Boots for your kind words. We could go on and quote scripture all we want, it contains much wisdom and many lessons. But the fact remains (and YES, it is FACT) that Pips was compromised not so much by the inability of management to operate, but by the inability of certain management to mask their avarice and ambition. Members, you have been taken for a ride. BM put you on the rollercoaster, and THEY have derailed it. DO NOT THINK FOR ONE MOMENT THAT THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. Just as you can point to BM and say "What the Hell?" you can point to them and say "What makes you so worthy?"

Those who are busy beating up Burn should stop. Spend some time looking at who is running "things" and who is saying what behind the scenes. Some of us talk in the sun.........whispers in the dark do not bode well for us.

I will ask again : Where are all BM's "brothers and best friends?" What are THEY doing right now. Lets hear from you, or about you. Anyone? Bueller.....Bueller......

Show of hands....... How many have gotten "secret whispers, but don't tell anyone, I/We REALLY know what happened....." That's what I thought.

I agree with GB2. 'Fess up and then go home. We don't want you "protecting" us anymore.

Arcturus

Originally Posted by persephone

And now, Gary and his crew, which includes Keith, are petrified and scrambling for money, and are once again targeting unsuspecting Pips members.

Enough of this !!!!!

hmmm.... I wonder how they would go about this?
of course... they do have those tallented IT guys working for them .... may as well use them.... maybe set up a program or two on the forums?..... hmmm

Originally I had posted this email information from 09/01/2005, how close were we then?

4D

The following was copy and pasted with approval of InuTaro, the intended email recipient.

Aequitas said:

"To answer your questions, InuTaro, I can only be blunt.

Yes, something big happened over there. I have traced the sources down, and they go back prior to your involvement with Pure Investor. What exactly happened I cannot say at this time, as the game has not yet been played. There is another group I got wind of that is busy collecting quietly, and THEY will be able to follow the money, there is absolutely no doubt about that! I know this to be true personally.

I'm sorry to report that no one that you have mentioned is to be trusted. My prime targets remain the same, but I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH TO HAVE NO DEALINGS WITH BILLY, WARREN OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE "NEW" VENTURE. You have no idea how many faces they have, especially Irish Billy and WW. Not only can they NOT act honorably, but they cannot even keep their own houses in order. If I could say just one thing to the PureInvestors and Pipsters out there, it would be run as fast as you can FROM IB, WW and all their "associates". You WILL lose your money. It won't be gone, it will just go into other pockets. Your earnings will be grand, your receipts non-existent.

You asked about BTI: Nothing they are currently doing is credible. If you look at who is running the show, how can you have confidence that it will work as they say. Fairytales DO come true, but someone here is aiding the Witch.

I cannot confirm that those dollars came from Merchants; all I know is the Merchants I have followed did not get what they were told to expect. Traces show that the money left.....but never landed.

Funny thing about consultants and experts. Living more that 5 hours from where you "consult" automatically makes you an "expert". I'd like to see the credentials myself, in person. My grandmother could have handled them; I don't know why everyone is so afraid of them.

Yes, I think this is all a scam to take a legit program and clone it. Do HYIP's work? Yes and no. Depends on the system and the operation. When your employees are busy stealing the stock, it's awfully hard to stay in business. In this case, people got caught, and now they are blaming the company for their own dishonor.

You asked again, I'll answer one more time: ANY MONEY PUT INTO BTI AND ALL THE OTHER "IB/WW/GN" PROGRAMS IS BETTER SPENT ON THE LOTTERY. Your odds are better. If you play craps, your smarter to spend it there.

In response to your final set of questions, I will reserve my answers until I have more solid information; I don't want to send out anything that hasn't been researched properly..........

Aequitas"

Thanks, Taxman! I had forgotten about this post.

Members, some of you will recall that when Aequitas Rex first came out, it was blasted and accusations flew........... this goes way back to September. How far off was ARex then? Hmmmm..... makes one think. We should have listened better.

Where is ARex now?

Arcturus

Originally Posted by persephone

Methinks our darksider's didn't plan their venture very well. Purchasing and re-selling antiquities is a monetarily risky business. They assumed that many would join their venture, and if I remember correctly, it was for a pretty steep chunk of change. So very few, if any join, their sitting on a glut of merchandise, and they go out of business.

Exactly Gary business was not forced to shut down by some governmental authority as some here would have you believe. It is my understanding that it was closed because they simply did not have enought interested people therefore not enough money. But yet according to some here the government went in and shut themdown and they have all kinds of funds floating around....
Frankly I dont care about Gary and Keith ventures and what they are doing. I just would like people to do some due diligence before they accuse people of wrong doing. If Gary and Co. are guilty it will come out. But from what I have been told there was not wrong doing on their part. In fact if I remember right it was Gary who told Bryan that he needed to fund SpeedyWallet and pay members. But it was stated by Gary that Bryan never did fund SpeedyWallet. But kept throwing money at the Bistro and the Fashion shop instead of pay the membership. So you see usually the answer is somewhere in the middle of both extremes.....

Originally Posted by Pippyman

Exactly Gary business was not forced to shut down by some governmental authority as some here would have you believe. It is my understanding that it was closed because they simply did not have enought interested people therefore not enough money. But yet according to some here the government went in and shut themdown and they have all kinds of funds floating around....
Frankly I dont care about Gary and Keith ventures and what they are doing. I just would like people to do some due diligence before they accuse people of wrong doing. If Gary and Co. are guilty it will come out. But from what I have been told there was not wrong doing on their part. In fact if I remember right it was Gary who told Bryan that he needed to fund SpeedyWallet and pay members. But it was stated by Gary that Bryan never did fund SpeedyWallet. But kept throwing money at the Bistro and the Fashion shop instead of pay the membership. So you see usually the answer is somewhere in the middle of both extremes.....

I don't recall anyone stating that Gary's business was shut down by a government agency. Just that it was no longer online. What is a fact is that in Victrading's presentation it was stated that they had a $50 million start up capital backing the company, now if what you say is true, and they ran out of money, I would say that this definitely proves mismanagement, and is that the same mismanagement that happened to pips?