Thread: A Humble Request (Merged)

I try not to interject too often so that this thread can go where it may but I am standing by my last post (regardless how some might try to turn it around)...

Where are the people that were supposedly so close to Bryan and why are they not either (a) adding to this discussion or (b) refuting what is being posted about them? Bryan has been here dozens if not hundreds of times to give updates and continue communications with the members. He has taken "shitake" (as in the mushroom and what mushrooms are fed) from countless individuals and he has continued to plug away for us. He promised a detailed explanation at the conclusion of the investigation...Where have all the others been? Why all their secrecy? What about the responsibility they have/had to keep members informed? How about answers from any/all of them? Why do they get a complete pass?

Enquiring minds want to know...

Everwiser

Originally Posted by everwiser

I try not to interject too often so that this thread can go where it may but I am standing by my last post (regardless how some might try to turn it around)...

Where are the people that were supposedly so close to Bryan and why are they not either (a) adding to this discussion or (b) refuting what is being posted about them? Bryan has been here dozens if not hundreds of times to give updates and continue communications with the members. He has taken "shitake" (as in the mushroom and what mushrooms are fed) from countless individuals and he has continued to plug away for us. He promised a detailed explanation at the conclusion of the investigation...Where have all the others been? Why all their secrecy? What about the responsibility they have/had to keep members informed? How about answers from any/all of them? Why do they get a complete pass?

Enquiring minds want to know...

Everwiser

Would any of the unconditional supporters of Bryan will believe them if they will come here and post something that will incriminate Bryan?
Every time some of the ones close to Bryan said something that didn’t put Bryan in a good light, they were insulted, accused of lying and having a hidden agenda. Example: WW, IB.

Moreover, da man itself said "if it isn't from me etc" and that nobody excepting him and Sharon are in the know.

way2go,

You mean "they" might be subjected to some of the same things Bryan has been subjected to for all these months?!!!! Wow...gee...!

At the beginning of this saga, WW was out and about in the forums, and asked for proof of what he was extolling to the membership. Did he ever supply any? No, he just kept getting more angry (judging by his posts), because we weren't taking him at his word that Bryan screwed everything up!

OK guys, I,ll compile a timeline and events calendar using information posted in this thread only.
It seems we still have a few mysteries unaddressed which hopefully I can point out for further discussion.
Should have it up, as we brits like to "up" everything, by late Sunday :)
paddy

Originally Posted by paddyfield

OK guys, I,ll compile a timeline and events calendar using information posted in this thread only.
It seems we still have a few mysteries unaddressed which hopefully I can point out for further discussion.
Should have it up, as we brits like to "up" everything, by late Sunday :)
paddy

Thanks paddy,

Will be interesting to see what we have missed...

Maybe we can talk to Gary and Warren, and see if they can fill in the missing gaps..

Wonder if VicTrading will be returning, I am seeing some records being added to the website....

4D

You have proven nothing Way2go. I would treat them with respect in a dialogue with them, but they have done nothing to earn it. Recall WW's "termination notification" and how he started with praise and ended with accusations. And when asked for proof, for more information his basic response was "because I said so..." and then threats of lawsuits for slander, etc. THAT is why I would label him unprofessional. First, he bites the hand that fed him, without giving the reasons (other than discontent with his "role"), then he lashes out because we didn't blindly follow along. The OP book, the actions of those who were "brothers" and "best friends"......

As I said, where are they? Why are they not setting the record straight, even by proxy? We know where BM is. Not hard to find. We know what he has been "up to". He has not hidden, nor has he orchestrated any 'campaigns' to change sentiment. Others have. Again, why? How can we possibly present any additional facts when all has been twisted into a jumble of innuendo and deception?

In contributing to this thread, and proclaiming to know or understand certain facts and circumstances, we have assumed a sort of responsibility to offer, in a way as sterile as possible, what lies beyond. Rather than shout "my dad can beat up your dad", why is it so hard for some to accept that other possibilities exist? Some shout out that "this" is it, it is nothing else. You are wrong. This is still multiple choice.

Do not presume, members, that one way is clear and easy....nothing worthwhile is. Due diligence, careful scrutiny, logic and reason - therein lay the keys to unlocking this door.

BM only can answer some questions. But, equally, considering that many have placed them on a pedestal above that of BM, Pips and the membership, do THEY. And this is defined as the ones to whom we have addressed our questions. The same 10 or so that we have been asking about all along. However, there are others who have participated in related ventures (related to those we seek) that are here and close by......

You ask for proof. So do I. You demand answers of BM. I demand of BM AND of them. BM is not allowed to talk as of now. What is stopping them? You wonder why so many want answers? Math is easy on this one. You wonder why we are asking them questions? Same math. You wonder why so many defend BM? Not a difficult answer. You wonder why we ask of them? Prove us wrong. Until then, your actions have dictated your intentions.

See how futile it is to demand? Demand supposes NO respect. Do not demand respect if you refuse to give it equally, to all. Ask, but then ask of all.

Arcturus

Wonder if anybody has checked out to see if Gary, Warren, and Robin really got the proper business licenses for the below companies?

VICTORIAN TRADING & INVESTMENTS LTD
Incorporated in Hong Kong
SOVEREIGN CUSTODIANS CO. LTD.
Incorporated in Cambodia
ORIENTAL & INDOCHINA INVESTMENTS LTD.
Incorporated in Hong Kong


Now, if they were ready to go on 08/24/2005? When would they have gotten the proper paperwork in place? While they were traveling on behalf of Pips maybe?

If so, was this in the works before they decided to leave for health reasons?

Interesting spins here...

4D

Well...
As it has been many here accusing Bryan of Bad Behavior as CEO for Pips....

Let's get some balance here...and look at the General Managers BEHAVOIUR...

AND THIS IS A FACTUAL BEHAVIOUR NO-ONE CAN JUST DISCARD
WITH: " PROVE IT"

here is a post I made early september 05....
and ask your self this question...WHY DID HE DO THIS...?
I mean he WAS the General Manager...DID HE MANAGE to perform his work as One....that's the question...

Maybe HE should come forward and answer this...?

WHY DID YOU DO IT GARY....???
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posted beginning sept 05 by Largo:
Gary's ODD behaviour as General Manager....

When PIPS US started to ask for a fee to become a member, Gary started to give IB EXCLUSIVE briefings on the phone of the happenings in the PIPS Management. I find this quite odd behaviour from a General Manager in a WORLDWIDE International Membership Group...don't you?
Gary totally IGNORED the rest of the membership!

Irish Billy then gave briefings to PIPS US, and very often it was NEWS as predictions that later showed to be very far from what actually occurred or didn't occur. Was this phone-briefings just a way to get more menbers to sign-up for PIPS US?

Was this the strategy to have a membership base just in case anything happened to PIPS?

DID IB and Gary alredy know that PIPS would encounter difficulties...
ANYWAY, it's a VERY odd behaviour of a General Manager....

Just my OWN Thoughts..

All The Best

Largo
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SOME PROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOUR...don't you think..
Really CARING about all of us Members...

Largo

Originally Posted by ArcturusI

You ask for proof. So do I. You demand answers of BM. I demand of BM AND of them. BM is not allowed to talk as of now. What is stopping them? You wonder why so many want answers? Math is easy on this one. You wonder why we are asking them questions? Same math. You wonder why so many defend BM? Not a difficult answer. You wonder why we ask of them? Prove us wrong. Until then, your actions have dictated your intentions.

See how futile it is to demand? Demand supposes NO respect. Do not demand respect if you refuse to give it equally, to all. Ask, but then ask of all.

Arcturus

Arcturus,

As former employees, they may be forbiden to talk during the investigation either.

But let's assume they are allowed to talk. Do you think they have a chance to be treated civilized in this forum and in special in this tread?
As soon as they will affirm something, they will be asked for proofs (as you just affirmed) beside of all the bashing.

So far nobody supported their affirmations with proofs, and this includes Bryan.

BTW, I see that you changed your position regarding the proofs. When GN &Co were accused of stealing and a member asked if anybody has proofs, you said that proofs are not required. Now you are all for them.

Originally Posted by ArcturusI

(...) As I said, where are they? Why are they not setting the record straight, even by proxy? (...) BM only can answer some questions. But, equally, considering that many have placed them on a pedestal above that of BM, Pips and the membership, do THEY. And this is defined as the ones to whom we have addressed our questions. The same 10 or so that we have been asking about all along. However, there are others who have participated in related ventures (related to those we seek) that are here and close by......

You ask for proof. So do I. You demand answers of BM. I demand of BM AND of them. BM is not allowed to talk as of now. What is stopping them? You wonder why so many want answers? Math is easy on this one. (...)

Fwiw... Isn't it too early to conclude that 'they' don't want to answer? Isn't this some sort of speculation as well? Shouldn't we first be sure that we're not just talking to each other here... and that these questions actually reach their destination? (Or: to what extent are these people fully aware of this thread and the questions directed to them?) Who's on the list (GN, WW,...?). And... (on which grounds) are/can we be sure who has actually received... (let be) and how they responded to this request for answers/info? If you know what I mean...
Maybe it's because of my lack of knowledge but imo this isn't certain at all... and above all hard to track or ask about it. After all the fingerpointing of some (!), if I were close to GN/... I wouldn't be so keen to make myself public as an acquaintance (and as such automatically being bookmarked as a member of that camp as well). Which makes it rather hard to tell. What do you think?