Thread: A Humble Request (Merged)

WAY2GO...HERE'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO ASK OF GARY....

Originally Posted by Largo

Well...
As it has been many here accusing Bryan of Bad Behavior as CEO for Pips....

Let's get some balance here...and look at the General Managers BEHAVOIUR...

AND THIS IS A FACTUAL BEHAVIOUR NO-ONE CAN JUST DISCARD
WITH: " PROVE IT"

here is a post I made early september 05....
and ask your self this question...WHY DID HE DO THIS...?
I mean he WAS the General Manager...DID HE MANAGE to perform his work as One....that's the question...

Maybe HE should come forward and answer this...?

WHY DID YOU DO IT GARY....???
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posted beginning sept 05 by Largo:
Gary's ODD behaviour as General Manager....

When PIPS US started to ask for a fee to become a member, Gary started to give IB EXCLUSIVE briefings on the phone of the happenings in the PIPS Management. I find this quite odd behaviour from a General Manager in a WORLDWIDE International Membership Group...don't you?
Gary totally IGNORED the rest of the membership!

Irish Billy then gave briefings to PIPS US, and very often it was NEWS as predictions that later showed to be very far from what actually occurred or didn't occur. Was this phone-briefings just a way to get more menbers to sign-up for PIPS US?

Was this the strategy to have a membership base just in case anything happened to PIPS?

DID IB and Gary alredy know that PIPS would encounter difficulties...
ANYWAY, it's a VERY odd behaviour of a General Manager....

Just my OWN Thoughts..

All The Best

Largo
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SOME PROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOUR...don't you think..
Really CARING about all of us Members...

Largo

I STILL believe that some are still looking in the wrong place if they think Billy was somehow behind PIPS demise......however.....Gary....I do agree with, although, I doubt seriously that he acted alone.

What doesn't make sence to me is why would IB or Tex be willing to help kill PIPS when both of them were in quite a fine shape with their PIPS accts? Would it not have been to their benifit if PIPS survived? I think the answer has to be yes!

Have they moved forwarded into other things? Yes again, but what choice did they have? In fact, what choice do any of us have but to move forward with our lives after PIPS? Nobody knows for sure that I have heard from or read that PIPS will definatly return or for that matter....how long it will take if it does. I wish I knew for sure. If anyone knows for sure, please enlighten us all.

Going through the list of names of who may or may not have helped in the demise of PIPS is an interesting trip for sure. It may help some come to realize that the destruction of the company as we knew it didnt just happen overnight and wasnt the work of just one individual, but will laundering names help to bring it back? I doubt it...however....I can hope with all I am that somehow the BoN investigation when finished will allow a restructered PIPS re-emerge, but until the final outcome is known, unless someone with more information than I have seen or heard comes forth, I just dont see anything happening.

To know just what all took place within the PIPS management circles however would be an interesting revelation. How they handled OUR $$$$$ would be nice to know. I do look forward to knowing the outcome from all of this.

Please continue.

PB

You didn't read my last paragraph, Way2go, and don't take "you" personally, it is used as a generic most of the time.

I want answers, we'll set aside proof for later. My argument on "proof" is one of "if it's good enough for you......." What I intended, did not quite come out correctly.

How about this? When someone says something positive, immediately it is met by "prove it" and "cheeleader!". When one says something negative, it is met with "begone, Troll!". It leads to no where.

CLARIFICATION: They who demand our proof have no proof to give. They who demand we think like they do disrespect ALL of us at every turn. Do we reciprocate in kind? Some do, some don't. I said this before and I'll say it again: The Good LORD himself could show up at some doors with all the proof and they STILL wouldn't believe. Why should I give any additional information when it will a) aid those who would really take this from the members and b) they would never admit to the accuracy of the information.

HASSE: Oh, they hear all right. There are many, many who prowl about in stealth mode that do nothing but "report back" to their controllers. They just don't answer. The only conclusions that I can draw are (as Way2go pointed out) 1. They might not be able to -or- 2. They are unwilling to -or- 3. They don't dare.

But I am asking a simple question......What happened to BM's "brothers" and "best friends"?????? Surely, there is no harm in THAT answer.

Arcturus

And surely there is no harm in answering Taxman's questions as well. Just who all was involved in VicTrading and why is it now 'gone', and who all was involved in GIG, and the CU's, and what are they up to now?

These don't require any sort of proof, or argument. Simple questions, simple answers.

Arcturus

Arc,

I, for the life of me, can't remember what GIG is? I know I've heard it before and it's swimming around somewhere in my brain....it just won't come to the forefront?

GIG was a program that, among other things, included both GN and BM initially. Others here can give you more insight into the actual workings, etc., but the interesting thing is who else was involved, other than the two mentioned here.

As I wish to take the high road, you may look for yourselves, or some may want to share with the class. I do believe that it was mentioned earlier in this thread.........

Arcturus

Originally Posted by ArcturusI

GIG was a program that, among other things, included both GN and BM initially. Others here can give you more insight into the actual workings, etc., but the interesting thing is who else was involved, other than the two mentioned here.

As I wish to take the high road, you may look for yourselves, or some may want to share with the class. I do believe that it was mentioned earlier in this thread.........

Arcturus

Wrong, GN did not belong to GIG. GIG was one of several groups that were formed for other endeavors, not just the 3% program, that's all.
Brenda

Brenda, Michaelr, I stand corrected. Thank you. Had my notes jumbled and that's whay I get for working from memory.

I retract my earlier statement of GN and BM being together in GIG. It wasn't the focal point of that example, but it came out that way.

Many apologies.

Way2go......thank you for your calm sanity. If only politicians could debate in such a way.

Have a nice weekend, everyone.

Arcturus

Originally Posted by Largo

Please feel free to give YOUR take on Gary's Behaviour...

Largo

Largo,

Below is my view to your questions/concerns:

For some members, it seems odd the fact that GN gave updates to IB but not to entire PIPS membership. In my view, there is no contradiction. GN didn’t send update to IB or to PIPS USA. Instead, IB called him and asked for updates. IB mentioned once that GN will give updates to any one who’ll call.

GN’s info were not strict confidential, other ways he wouldn’t divulge them knowing that they will be all over the net. Was Bryan aware of the fact that GN updated IB? Probably Yes, considering that IB’s posts were always pasted from PIPS USA to our forum. Also, IB was in good terms with Bryan and they kept in touch, therefore probably in their conversations some of GN’s info came up.

Why GN did not post the info in PIPS forum or send mass email to PIPS members? I can see 2 reasons for this:

1. GN wasn’t PIPS official spoke man, therefore he didn’t bother
2. GN knew the importance of communication and asked Bryan for permission to officially update the membership, but Bryan didn’t bother



Another concern presented in your post is the fact that some of GN’s information were not accurate. The reason for this may be because sometimes he had erroneous, incomplete or vague info, and he needed to make educated guesses. This happened in Golden Womb times. Susanne was well known for her detailed updates, but some of them were erroneous because the communication between her and Bryan was not well established.

The last confusion I see in your post arrives from the fact that some of Gary’s predictions proved to be false. This shouldn’t raise a concern, considering that PIPS affairs took unpredictable turns many times. Many of Bryan’s predictions themselves turned out to be false.


This is my view on your post, I may be wrong, but I hope that you agree that there it’s a possibility that I may be right.

Tx for your view Way2Go ... and Largo for asking... now there's some talking :) ... I truly believe the picture will become much clearer when our material receives light from both sides. So please continue folks :) - and have a great weekend,
Hasse