Thread: A Humble Request (Merged)

Good information there goldeneye...Bryan had been giving updates with substantitive information and that information was constantly being used to disrupt the company's plans and operations. If nothing else, it should shed some light as to why the updates became fewer and more vague...

Everwiser

Originally Posted by everwiser

Good information there goldeneye...Bryan had been giving updates with substantitive information and that information was constantly being used to disrupt the company's plans and operations. If nothing else, it should shed some light as to why the updates became fewer and more vague...

Everwiser

I agree with you EW, the updates became fewer and fewer because the info contained in them were being used against us. They were always being posted in other places after being distorted.

Originally Posted by everwiser

Good information there goldeneye...Bryan had been giving updates with substantitive information and that information was constantly being used to disrupt the company's plans and operations. If nothing else, it should shed some light as to why the updates became fewer and more vague...

Everwiser

Good point EW. I hope Style read this and realize why is reason Bryan do not disclose more detail info. This is exactly why. I do not blame newer members to understand this, because they do not know pass development as we are bringing up here.

Ahhhh....Newlife, you stole my thunder. I was going to bring this up later.

Golden, you have hit upon a VERY important piece, here. Anyone with children should have seen this coming. (Don't touch that, it's hot. Why did you touch that???????)

BM pleaded, in fact begged, for members (and others) to stop bothering our opportunity outlets. He was being candid, but that wasn't good enough for people. Certain control freaks and greedy hands just HAD to impose their own will, their own wants in place of all else. Everytime a new name was added, hundreds if not thousands of inquiries, demands, and requests were made. [If you will recall, there were those who bragged that they could bring down BM and Pips this way - this is a fact] Is it any wonder that BM won't tell anyone any details anymore??????

Additionally, around this same timeframe, IB started his little operation. Now, we don't have to go into the personal treatment that was extended to members (threats, etc), but I find it quite puzzling that BM was communicating through IB, and then, all of a sudden, GN was the man and BM no longer spoke with PipsUSA. I do recall, Taxman might be able to help here, that some statements came out that were credited to BM that were later proved to be embellishments and distortions, even by GN, but the members were never given the courtesy of an apology or retraction. Then, like so many others, some decided that they could make money off of members by riding the Pips wave, and, if you will all recall, BM said NO ONE will make money off the membership..............

If I was a bank, and I took on a customer that drove my call volume and public relations issues through the roof, I'd seriously consider my earlier decision. Perhaps there were those trying to cut the throat of the golden goose????? Methinks I am correct.............

Ok. Any other comments on 2004 before we move on to 2005????

Arcturus

So at the Las Vegas convention in the fall of 2004 there was no need to mention to the membership that problems were starting to surface with regard to wd's? Is this because at that time BM had a remedy for that particular problem?

PIPS USA was formed for USA members so that as a group we could expand our opportunities together. Everyone who joined at first did so because they wanted to be as a group. Everyone believed that with their new PIPS wealth, as a group we could bargain for a benifits package that would assist most. Afterall, a great number of members had or were considering retiring because of PIPS, thus needing the insurance, ect.........that a benifit package would have offered.

As the WD situation became more drawn out and members were starving for information....IB did try and obtain whatever info he could for the PIPS USA membership, but that was not the reason PIPS USA was formed. For whatever reason, GN, did seem to speak with IB more than he would the entire PIPS membership......but why do some continue to roast IB over this? As the elected leader of PIPS USA, he was doing what he felt was best for those who had entrusted him with that role.

Those who came in to PIPS USA afterwards just for the info did so because they were starved for updates also....nobody twisted their arms.......

PB

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Additionally, around this same timeframe, IB started his little operation. Now, we don't have to go into the personal treatment that was extended to members (threats, etc), but I find it quite puzzling that BM was communicating through IB, and then, all of a sudden, GN was the man and BM no longer spoke with PipsUSA. I do recall, Taxman might be able to help here, that some statements came out that were credited to BM that were later proved to be embellishments and distortions, even by GN, but the members were never given the courtesy of an apology or retraction. Then, like so many others, some decided that they could make money off of members by riding the Pips wave, and, if you will all recall, BM said NO ONE will make money off the membership..............






Yes, I recall this well, many members were calling IB and Gary out to clarify what was said and when. There never was a clear answer given, and no apologies or retractions were attempted.

Not roasting IB. Didn't know he was "elected". It is what it is. I understand the reasons for PipsUSA, I almost joined myself, as I thought it a good idea. But something just didn't seem right. I DO KNOW that many of the communications were "edited", which I think very unfair. Is partial or misleading information as bad or worse than none?

Whatever: I may be wrong, here, but it is my recollection that part of what BM was doing around that time was diversifying the payment platforms, and searching for relevant redundancy (in w/d's). I don't think that he properly anticipated the volume of call traffic from members wanting (demanding) that their perceptions be met. PART of the problems arose when the volume of w/d requests grew beyond capabilities (remember our Critical Mass discussion?) and cascaded from there. This isn't the only reason, but as things slowed down, members demanded more and some got militant. At the time, there wasn't a reliable, market ready alternative. I believe (MY OPINION ONLY) that as Pips scrambled to meet demand, THAT is when some accounting discrepancies began to surface; recall many who have said that BM was quite surprised that monies were not being received by some..........anyone with additional relevant thoughts on this may add what they will here.............

Arcturus

"but why do some continue to roast IB over this?"

It is not about roasting IB, it is the statement that some people were priviledged to receive info that the rest of the were not. Why would the manager of a company want to exclude any of its members? Or only include people that had paid an additional price for privy info?

Choochie: Why would one who serves the membership serve their own interests first? THAT is a question that plagues everyone, here, not just BM, IB, or GN. In order to be greatest, one must first be least..........

Did IB or GN have the RIGHT to edit communications or directives? Remember BM has always said that if it didn't come from him...................What did the members miss, what was withheld, and is BM within his rights to NOT communicate that which would NOT benefit the membership? (Not bad news, stuff. Just operational, planning, etc)