Thread: r/v excitment from a Iraq Freind of a Freind

Originally Posted by ronbo

I know about what Nam vets suffer from. My wife is a service officer that helps veteran's with their claims with the VA.
As far as the big folks sending "our children" in harms way, They are all volunteers. I don't like war myself, but if you want to know how some of "our children" feel about it, there was an article in the news last week that stated the Marines had reached 150% of their reenlistment goal of troops in Iraq.
If I could go back in time and change what happened to me, would I? No!

Your sentiments are well stated. We have a great military and I pray for them all everyday.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

Originally Posted by MOM2TWO

Please don't compliment my abilities as a parent/mom. Your ideals are horrific, and I really hope that you haven't/won't reproduce. Please, no ediquette lessons from a slime-ball!! You owe the many on this forum an apology....living the life THEY provided for you.

In response to one of your lofty posts...If my son were to be man enough to join the US military to fight for a cause I couldn't be more scared/proud! That's what I am talking about BACKBONE...CHARACTER...MORALS!!! I hope and pray everyday that .. that is what I am teaching!!

And to comment on another post of yours......I am soooo sorry, you had to fear being drafted!?!?!!? REEAAALY...UGH You should have been, maybe would have made you a MAN!!!

WOW, Hell hath no fury like MOM2TWO!

Originally Posted by ronbo

GOD has everything to do with it!
Was it worth it? That is something you will never know. Yes, it changes people. I am not anywhere near the same person I was before. When people that I went to school with ask me why I have changed so much, I tell them that the person they remember died in Iraq in 1991 and the person they see now replaced him. I hardly ever leave my farm, I don't trust people, and I sleep with my avatar under my pillow. It's called PTSD.
But it also changes you when a person you don't know, that was trying to kill you just minutes before, is on his knees in front of you kissing your hand and hugging you for freeing him from Saddam. You have been sheltered from anything like this, that is the only reason I can think of that you would even ask a question like that. I fight everyday to stay sane and keep the pictures in my head from doing me in, sometimes I win. When I don't I take medication to go to sleep and then the nightmares come. So it is a lose - lose. Maybe you ought to do some research on how many combat vets know what the end of a gun barrel tastes like, or why over a million Vietnam veterans have committed suicide to escape the pictures they see everyday whether they want to or not instead of telling us how we should look at life.
So to answer your question, "Was it worth it?"
Hell Yes!

All I can say is WOW! That just about brought a tear to my eye. I won't even try to put into words my thoughts on our service men/women because I would not do you justice. All I can say is everyday I thank God for what I have, and every chance I get, whenever I see someone in uniform, I go out of my way to thank them. I don't know what else to say, so I'll just say thank you

Well, that was fun!
Now that it is calmed down, anyone got a good rumor?

Originally Posted by ronbo

Well, that was fun!
Now that it is calmed down, anyone got a good rumor?

I'm still trying to figure how someone who has never seen combat can announce that he is not a coward. OOoohhhhh that's right lawyers are
paid to make statements seem true...

Originally Posted by Dinar Madness

I know I'm probably going to get into trouble here but who is bashing who. I don't see the above statement a bash.

Anyway folks just remember this is only a rumor and if it doesn't happen next week lets not turn on each other and become cannablistic. This is a great forum and lets keep it that way.

Absolutely. If we can't have some peace and fun here, how do we expect the Iraqis to get their act together. We are all fortunate people. Take the rumours for what they are, rumours. Have some fun with them but don't bet your mortgage on them. Everyone is allowed a fantasy from time to time. It'll pay off eventually.

Originally Posted by Dinar Cha Ching

Now, now, don't sell yourself short I'd give you 100%.

Thank GOD for the ignore button.

Originally Posted by Dinar Cha Ching

Now, now, don't sell yourself short I'd give you 100%.

Originally Posted by Dr. Mike

Thank GOD for the ignore button.

please tell me how to activate my ignore button

Originally Posted by SeaRayaWaitin'

Let me suggest something to you....

Case 1. There is no God.
Case 2. God exists

Case A. You believe in God
Case B. You don't believe in God

Case 1A. There is no God but you believe in God - You had the joy and the benefit of your belief in God and it enriched your life even though God did not exist. Good

Case 1B. There is no God and you didn't believe in God - neutral..no loss..no gain


Case 2A. God exists and you believed in God - You had the joy and benefit of your belief in God to enrich you life and when you die you go to heaven - Good

Case 2B God exists and you didn't believe in God - Welcome to Hades


Any moron can see that the only case which is Good/Good are the "A" cases - belief in God whether he exists or not.

Only an dolt would choose the "B" cases - not believing...best case scenario is no gain/no loss....worst case...you're effed big time bro....have a seat in the eternal fire pit.

Ah yes.... this matrix is also known as Pascal's Wager...

Pascal's Wager is the French philosopher Blaise Pascal's application of decision theory to the belief in God. (It is also occasionally known as Pascal's Gambit.) It appears in the Pensées, a posthumous collection of Pascal's notes for an unfinished treatise on Christian apologetics. Pascal argued that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists, because the expected value of believing that God exists is always greater than the expected value resulting from non-belief. Indeed, he claimed that the expected value is infinite. With this, he sought to convert those, to Christianity, who were uninterested in religion and unimpressed by previous theological arguments for it.

The wager fails to mention any costs relating to belief. It is argued that there may be both direct costs (time, health, wealth) and opportunity costs. Most modern religions require their followers to spend time attending religious services at houses of worship and to donate money to the maintenance of these places and/or to the needy, when possible. As a result, if a person believes in a God that does not exist, then that person has lost time and money that could have been used for some other purpose. There may be opportunity costs for those who choose to believe: for example, scientific theories such as evolution that appear to some to contradict scripture could theoretically enable a non-believer to discover things and accomplish things the creationist could not. It is also argued that belief incurs a cost by not allowing the believing person to participate in and enjoy actions forbidden by dogma. Many devout people make more noticeable sacrifices for their religious beliefs. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept blood transfusions.

(To Pascal however, such costs were insignificant, since he considered secular life to be without meaning, consisting only in the vacuity of what he called "divertissement." On the other hand, he considered that only the contemplative life of a Christian feeling the love of God was truly rewarding for the human soul, God being to him the "supreme good.")

Others have argued that the utility of salvation cannot be infinite, either via strict finitists or belief that an infinite utility could only be finitely enjoyed by finite humans.

Sigma Summa: To quote a contemporary singstress, "Who will save your soul, if you wont save your own?"
ps: Whatever floats your boat, SeaRay!

Originally Posted by lglwzrd

well the next time you see god, tell her i said hi, and thanks for all the fish.

Are you a dolphin?