Thread: A possible RV Date!!!

Originally Posted by Lucky142

If it ain't right, you can send me your dinar and I will not feel bad about putting it to good use. Oh, that's right, you don't want to give it up, so let me explain why it is not immoral: (Open Minds understand more of the big picture, even if we are not privy to certain facts)

There is nothing immoral or unethical about business if it is done with the proper perspective. After all, the business of the capitalist world is business and it is the only means of creating wealth. It really erks me when people are against profits and especially when they express hatred toward the rich and powerful just because they are poor.

The fact most legal and illegal aliens want to come to the USA is a statement about opportunity and freedom. The fact that the US Congress has not protected our freedom here by allowing far more immigrants than our future can care for and contain while preserving opportunities and freedom is a fact of life we will all live to regret.

The 1971 switch from the Gold Standard to the Oil Standard was done for a purpose. Many may not agree with it, but then far too many people have allowed Robin Hood Economics to be a world standard and that is what is breaking the banks around the world.

No, there is nothing immoral about business and paying off debt. In fact, if Bush pulls this off with the Iraqi's and others in the middle east and with the help of those who are participating, the Iraqi people will know freedom.

Will they be smart enough to follow the winds of changes or will they buck the winds and disallow peace and freedom to their people?

We should all be aware that Capitalism is the exchange of wealth for wealth and profit and that we must guard against the three cancers of Capitalism which are: Greed, Graft and Corruption, but we should never put down Capitalism if we want to enjoy the opportunities afforded by those who make them possible.

The RV will pay the money back that has been forgiven with profits to all those who have allowed Iraq to open their markets with this kind of potential. Is it wrong for all of these countries to profit off of Iraq's Market Potential within the world economic system? No! So why should it be immoral if the United States can recoup the monetary cost of an expensive war. It at least justifies in some way the blood spilled to give Iraq a chance to be free and democratic; even if within the confines of Islam's permitted parameters.

Yes, Iraq and Afghanistan is and was about terrorism and if Iran has to be challenged, that will also be about a petty dictator and a mob of hoodlums who threaten world peace still. What a shame Iran does not have reasonable leadership. I would be purchasing their currency. Likewise Chavez of Venezuela. Here is another country based on So******m that will not profit until they change their attitude. So, don't fault Bush for profits to pay for what the world should have stepped in and took care of while sharing the burden of expense to eliminate a petty dictator.

Thats my Two Cents! Now, lets see the RV. (NEXT WEEK would be wonderful) Yesterday would have been better, but I am patient.

This is a bit of beauty...I might add that Dubya's remarks were geared to a public who have been fed a steady diet of dismal reports so you have to counter that with a pocketbook approach. If you in the end can pay for the war in full, keep the country safe and perform a noble task of freedom yielding nation building, well who can argue that?

Onward and upward

Another concerned feedback just in, which needs to be weighed considerably as well...This is what the observers are letting us know, from a distance and trying to tolerate it all, I welcome more feedbacks and when action is needed, it would be swift and unexpected and it will be over with the onslaught, you can count on that!!

What two are you referring to Yogi? I hope one of the two you refer to is the original poster. If not for that instigating post, there would not have been any responses to it. That original poster is very smart in the way S/HE posts. S/he knows how to strike the nerve of those who are on to.

In that original post, s/he scolds members for being impatient and financial mismanagement and telling them they deserve to to go broke if they count their chickens too early. Keep an eye on the person. Soon, as many times before, s/he will be on here telling people it is a "done deal" and they can start their car shopping and house shopping and come join me at the pre-party.

There are many weak people on here Yogi that lack the ability to pave their own path in life (cannot do their own dd). These people are not natural leaders. They rather seek out someone to follow (will trust someone else's info/rumors). When someone comes along speaking out loud and confident and claiming to know the way, these followers will follow (thus the PMs and phone calls and such). What is happening here is this leader is now telling the followers that they deserve to be left behind cause they were silly enough to follow even though s/he is the one who coached them into following (in so many words of course). Sorry for my rant Yogi.

Originally Posted by Lucky142

If it ain't right, you can send me your dinar and I will not feel bad about putting it to good use. Oh, that's right, you don't want to give it up, so let me explain why it is not immoral: (Open Minds understand more of the big picture, even if we are not privy to certain facts)

There is nothing immoral or unethical about business if it is done with the proper perspective. After all, the business of the capitalist world is business and it is the only means of creating wealth. It really erks me when people are against profits and especially when they express hatred toward the rich and powerful just because they are poor.

The fact most legal and illegal aliens want to come to the USA is a statement about opportunity and freedom. The fact that the US Congress has not protected our freedom here by allowing far more immigrants than our future can care for and contain while preserving opportunities and freedom is a fact of life we will all live to regret.

The 1971 switch from the Gold Standard to the Oil Standard was done for a purpose. Many may not agree with it, but then far too many people have allowed Robin Hood Economics to be a world standard and that is what is breaking the banks around the world.

No, there is nothing immoral about business and paying off debt. In fact, if Bush pulls this off with the Iraqi's and others in the middle east and with the help of those who are participating, the Iraqi people will know freedom.

Will they be smart enough to follow the winds of changes or will they buck the winds and disallow peace and freedom to their people?

We should all be aware that Capitalism is the exchange of wealth for wealth and profit and that we must guard against the three cancers of Capitalism which are: Greed, Graft and Corruption, but we should never put down Capitalism if we want to enjoy the opportunities afforded by those who make them possible.

The RV will pay the money back that has been forgiven with profits to all those who have allowed Iraq to open their markets with this kind of potential. Is it wrong for all of these countries to profit off of Iraq's Market Potential within the world economic system? No! So why should it be immoral if the United States can recoup the monetary cost of an expensive war. It at least justifies in some way the blood spilled to give Iraq a chance to be free and democratic; even if within the confines of Islam's permitted parameters.

Yes, Iraq and Afghanistan is and was about terrorism and if Iran has to be challenged, that will also be about a petty dictator and a mob of hoodlums who threaten world peace still. What a shame Iran does not have reasonable leadership. I would be purchasing their currency. Likewise Chavez of Venezuela. Here is another country based on So******m that will not profit until they change their attitude. So, don't fault Bush for profits to pay for what the world should have stepped in and took care of while sharing the burden of expense to eliminate a petty dictator.

Thats my Two Cents! Now, lets see the RV. (NEXT WEEK would be wonderful) Yesterday would have been better, but I am patient.

Amen to that!!!. Preach on brother, Preach on!!!!!

Originally Posted by wciappetta

This is a bit of beauty...I might add that Dubya's remarks were geared to a public who have been fed a steady diet of dismal reports so you have to counter that with a pocketbook approach. If you in the end can pay for the war in full, keep the country safe and perform a noble task of freedom yielding nation building, well who can argue that?

Onward and upward

Dubya is the President of a country that has been so complacent and apathetic for so many years, that is now broke because of their approach to life's important decisions. However, this country is not the only one.

The Robin Hood Economics is alive and well in a society where people are living paycheck to paycheck and many are not making it; see the high rate of foreclosures, bankruptcies, welfare rolls, etc. Likewise, the complaints about immigrants taking away opportunities rather than look to the opportunities we all have and make life happen.

In life we all have choices. Most make the wrong choices because they fail to follow those who know. Now, that does not mean all those who know will be successful in life because there are no guarantees in life. I was never guaranteed anything when I was born and I have had to make my own way. I don't complain about such things, but:

In saying that, I have been taken advantage of by unscrupulous government officials, criminals who have robbed my business place and broke into my home and stolen thousands of dollars and left behind thousands in damages.
Yet, I still struggle to maintain life in a free world because I don't want anything less than freedom.

We are never privy of what goes on behind closed doors in our world of decisions makers, but we can listen, watch and see the direction they take us by the local news and sometimes international news, if we can weed out that which is not worth listening to.

As for Robin Hood Economics; our city fathers just allowed Corporate Welfare a big win in our bankrupt city that lives off of Government paychecks as all else is below poverty level income. They have just raised our property Taxes to give to a Corporate Yeayhoo, to pay for a new district (business and living) in the heart of our city. This comes just after raising the values of property and taxes to a point many are losing their homes and many more are strapped with trying to hang on.

Robing from Peter to Pay Paul is never a way to create wealth in any society. It is a way to spend the wealth that has already been created and by doing that, you take society one step closer to bankruptcy. But, then, who cares as most will never engage in wealth building ideas. Give them an option of following a trail of gold or copper, most will chose copper most of the time.

The majority have not engaged in purchasing Dinar to take a chance on life. Like all their decisions in life, it is the reason the US Department of Labor statistics show: After 40 years of work, at age 65; only 1% are rich, 4% are wealthy enough to retire, 29% are dead and 66% are totally dependent upon Government Social Welfare Programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and other Social welfare programs as well as Church, family, and friends for support. I wonder how many friends would support me if in need?

No, we are not privy of decisions behind National and International policies; as we are not involved in the decisions made behind closed doors, but if we keep our eyes, ears and minds open and we love Freedom, we can see the direction we are being taken. Unfortunately, the majority are closed minded and see nothing but the high cost of living and funeral expenses, and they can not see the benefits from decisions that cause some pain and suffering in a world filled with pain and suffering.

A leader may not be leading in the right direction all the time, but leaders must make decisions others will not make because others don't have a clue!

RV and lets party. The World is still turning and life goes on!

In the Business world, "You Can't Steal Second with Your Feet On First!" Great little book published many years ago; and, I love the title!

Lucky, I'm in total agreement with you. I think George W. Bush has a plan and will see it to the end. This is having faith in our leadership, although there are times that will make you wonder if having faith in them is wise. I remain behind and fully supportive of our President.

Originally Posted by Maddawg

Lucky, I'm in total agreement with you. I think George W. Bush has a plan and will see it to the end. This is having faith in our leadership, although there are times that will make you wonder if having faith in them is wise. I remain behind and fully supportive of our President.

Agreed!

Pres. Bush has nothing to do with the RV. His only influence is the pressure he applies to the GoI to get laws passed. The actual RV is only decided upon by the CBI and the IMF. That's it it. The conspiracy theorists have blown this way out of proportion. If he had that power it would have been done by now, making life for him much better and republicans would control the House and Senate.

Originally Posted by RetMil

Pres. Bush has nothing to do with the RV. His only influence is the pressure he applies to the GoI to get laws passed. The actual RV is only decided upon by the CBI and the IMF. That's it it. The conspiracy theorists have blown this way out of proportion. If he had that power it would have been done by now, making life for him much better and republicans would control the House and Senate.

Very True, but those who make decisions to promote change in the world, may influence the winds of change.

As for Congress: Republican vs Democrat and politics are the name of the game. You can't expect a President to have so much power when you have so much that influence the daily affairs of politics. No President has ever been so lucky as to have full support and every President has had his enemies.

It's like "Everyone has their own belief" and "everyone else is wrong!" Is it any wonder we have not improved life in this world?

Wealth from the Ancients (from the history of the world of modern Iraq)

Who knows its simple rules of Acquisition?

From the Parables of the Past; since Babylon, 5,000 years ago our advancement in personal wealth building has progressed like so:

5,000 years ago if you could not pay your debts you were forced into slavery.

A few short hundred years ago, England came up with a great So******t plan of taxing her citizens to build debtors prisons and lock up all those who could not pay their debts.

In 1797, the newly formed Congress of the United States was writing "The Forgiveness Laws" or what we call Bankruptcy and today, we still can not pay our debts.

What have we learned in 5,000 years?

From the Parables of Ancient Babylon:
Lo, Money is Plentiful for those who understand the simple rules of its acquisition:
1. Start thy purse to fattening
2. Control thy expenditures
3. Make thy gold multiply
4. Guard thy treasures from loss
5. Make of thy dwelling a profitable investment
6. Insure a future income
7. Increase thy ability to earn

What does it all mean? The Book, "The Richest Man in Babylon" by George Clason.

No, Presidents don't have all the power because personal and corporate decisions rule our world of debt or profit just as the decisions base upon Human Values of each person who has their own idea of how life should be.

There are those who:

Believe the world owes them a living!

Believe that the Governments should take care of their children because their children can not take care of themselves. (Hillary Clinton, just to name one!)

believe there is nothing for them to do as God will take care of all they need!

Believe in Freedom and the opportunities afforded within a Free Market, Free Enterprise World, and therefore seek to provide for themselves and those they care about.

The way to Life is through the simplicity of the words: Free, Liberty, Independence. Yet the word Free will always have a cost and a price that must be paid as there is nothing in this world that is Free.

Those who know freedom are Financially Free; yet this does not buy happiness as such is a thing of the heart and not of the purse.

Life is not just about one thing; it is a rainbow of many things that make life possible. The Human Mind controls the deciding factors in how well the Human Race shall live; individually and/or as a whole!

Likewise: Retired Military (20 + years of Defending The Rights of Others) Most, who don't have a clue.

Thanks for your service to Freedoms Cause.

All things in their own good time. Come on Dinar: do you thang! It's time to

Another concerned feedback just in, which has its own valid view of the coin once flipped to be given a chance and it earns equally well to be heard here. I am not enjoying this...refereeing of disputes with mindsets thrown at each other but if it helps to calm the undercurrent, it is worthy of giving sanity an equal opportunity to sustain and maintain some harmony on the Forum rather than ban you lot for mere madness over mindful opinions turning mean or getting somewhat malicious....

The person who rants against the "done deal" in my opinion misapplied, to term in their own mind and that is why h/she is ranting. In the post referred to, I interpreted it to mean that the retirement law (forgot the title in post) had been passed and it was a done deal and language in it was referred to the RV.

Also, that Shabibi had signed off on the RV. That doesn't mean that the RV was going to happen the next day though many sources thought within three days or so. The poster was already going to visit friends in FL and also invited anyone who wanted to come down to do so.

I am really tired of those who throw the term "done deal" back into the poster's face. They simply misinterpreted it and don't know how to let go. They seem to cause mischief with most on all of their posts and seem very negative. Am really tired of them.

I am not a "sheep" of the poster who did post, that the retirement law was a done deal but I hate to see the meanness of those who attack for no other reason than their own shortcomings.

In my opinion they do not respect TOS rules and should be banned because they keep brining it up almost every time the poster posts almost anything.

So I hope that the two posters you were considering banning are the two that keep throwing the term "done deal" (2loan4u and caddieman) back in the original poster's face.

Also, it did come to light that what that particular poster said about it RVing back in Sept of 06, had been stopped by the US at the last minute, in my mind vindicating the poster's conclusions. Who knows, maybe, we will see other info come to light that does the same with the late May posting. JMHO.

It is very hard not to respond when someone says something hateful about you or something mean. I don't blame the original poster for posting conclusions, but those who are hateful towards them.

It is OK to disagree but you don't have to be mean, ****eful, hateful or say something in such a way that you know will get them upset. JMHO

Originally Posted by 2loan4u

Maybe people shouldn't be telling everyone one it's a done deal every other week. How can you say they deserve to go broke when you tell them "it's done", "they will announce it sunday!!!!" And then not expect them to "count their chickens"? I have watched your post going back to the darksideand I always thought you were a good person who was just very enthusiastic but now I see that you are just mean spirited and evil.

how dare you! YOU KNOW NOTHING OF ME NOR HAVE YOU WALKED IN MY SHOES.

if you cant realize that im not shabibi or sleepin with him then how can that be my fault? its IS DONE. we are waiting on THEM TO DO IT IN THEIR OWN TIMING. i cant say it any clearer. read the articles, they are saying the same thing.