Thread: Problems = opportunities!

I wanted to post a reply, but seems there are bugs in the system preventing me! Also, I got news of attacks on P*P* sites, even "fake sites" - watch out!

Re "Due dilligence" and P*P* - I joined P*P* automatically from the previous failed program "Golden Womb". Both programs seem to have run into problems that were caused by its members. I have mentors who seem to be "in the know" re Bryan etc. and one sent me this (which seems they would like it circulated, so I see no harm posting it here - if the moderators disgree, they can always remove it). It has come from the offices in Malaysia.

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: On a positive note!
This is a copy of an email sent to (???) by a merchant It's not an update from Bryan and it wasn't taken from a forum,
so I think it should be ok to post. If not, feel free to delete it.

Quote:


This is a positive letter direct from Malaysian Office!!!!

"Please understand that whatever you get from others which is not officially
from us is untrue or just a rumors.

Regarding withdrawal situation, you also aware that we are currently have a
problem with the bank site. We have bulk of thousand withdrawal request.
As you know that we have over than 80,000 members and just imagine if all of
them request a withdrawal. Most of them request a withdrawal with a large
amount and just a few of them request with a small amount.

You also need to understand that we still don't have our own bank. What I
mean is our own bank is still under progressing. With the bank that we are
using right now of course they cannot all the time concentrate on resolving
our problem because they also have other members need to handle.

In future when we have our own bank I'll guarantee that everything will be
solved. Just wait and be highly patient. As staff in this company and also
close with Mr. Bryan, I believe with his effort the company will not simply
go down. Of course as a CEO he will not simply let his company close and he
has his own value.

The company is still strong if not why are we still here? If the company is
not good why we are still answer your question? That is not because of the
salary that we get but it is because of the company. Bare in mind that all
members will get their money but still have to wait. If you don't believe
me please visit PIPS forum and you can see latest update from Mr. Bryan.
The other thing is Mr. Bryan is not liar. If he is a liar why he open other
business and very near with PIPS and PICPAY office? If he is a liar why he
is still around?

I really hope that you will satisfy with my explanation. You have to know
that people can make a negative story about other person even though that
particular person is good. In other word is we cannot stop other people's
mouth to talk.

Please forward this message to others and thank you for your understanding
and concern towards our company.

-Rizal-
Thank You."
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I will add a foonote from me =sometimes, investments take a while to pay off, and patience is rewarded. Over 35 years ago I invested in a lot in Arizona - paid about $4,000 for it. For years it stayed at $4,000. I heard of many people selling theirs. It seemed it would never be worth much. Then, quite recently all changed. Last week I sold my lot to a builder for $30,000!

Let's all calm down, and allow Bryan to work on the problems privately, and "keep the faith"! I believe in P*P*!!! :D

Mdrumins:
Nice post. Thanks for sharing.
Regarding your AZ property, I had a similar experience last month. I purchased a house in 1997 in Florida. Several friends, some of whome are quite savy in real estate investing told me it was a poor choice. They said I'd never get my money back. Anyway, I sold it last month for 125% MORE then I paid for it 8 years ago!
So, we all sit patiently for a year, and make almost 40% a month compounded daily. It's fun to listen to the "EXPERTS" over in troll-land or what ever they are calling themselves (TG). I belive that P*PS and BM are going to blow the socks off a lotta people.
This years convention is gonna BE FUN!!!
TJ

Thanks TJ - glad you liked the post = there was more:
(from same person)

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I found this post in one another forum, and found that he would be interesting all to read and to reflect on the same, I believe to be one post very positive


raharni wrote:
Hi folks,

Let me give you some thoughts to be considered, as I can detect that similar poor language will be used here again by participants.

1. To get educated on financial matters, go to www.sovereignsociety.com to learn how the real financial world works. Specifically all the informations found therein focuse all types of offshore operations and should interest everybody. If you become a member you might have the chance to get expert knowledge on tax matters as well.

2. What happened few weeks ago I can only compare with my past and actual experience in the financial world as I have been operating in very similar businesses where this "P-System" generates most earnings to keep it alive. Any public exposure leads to cancellation of business or private pursuance and could end up loosing any bank accounts worldwide.

Please take note as follows:

a) The "P-System" is mostly regulated or licensed by central bank approval, hence it must strictly adhere to general business guidelines adopted by such authorities.

b) The "P-System" must be consolidated now as it experienced a tremendous growth in the past 2 years. This is normal to every business, specially if the "P-System" has been uniquely designed by its management. It may be that the management underestimated the need to consolidate earlier, as the business did move too fast in areas where much tougher management issues must be used.

c) To deal with financial aspects of the "P-System" we do not speak about hours or days, we speak about weeks and months to get final approval for setups who will stand for. (i.e. it took us 3 years to get only insurance approval for a new trade finance concept)

d) 95% of all members do not and will never understand the background of the "P-System" and therefore are very dangerous for the "P-System" to collapse if it will be discussed publicly. The "P-System" is not designed to be seen for the public, it is very sensitive to requlating authorities and financial institutions and finally only place to discuss the "P-System's" business is the yearly convention comparable on a more corporate level with the general meeting of a corporation. In this way each and every participation should be seen by its members or shareholders.

e) Members must finally recognize that the "P-System" is far away from being designed as a HYIP or FX programme. It's a long term strategy within a visionary structure established by its management. But it is clearly said that all actions being undertaken by members hinder the successful completion of this sensivite business in most cases and are main reason of its failure. Main reason of withdrawal problems have been caused by a public forum and by members themselves, because negative press let partner banks be warned as the system didn't demonstrate any further stability. What banks doesn't like is "Media Exposure", one main reason why the "P-System" management always claimed members to stop calling company's associates.

Consequences are known to everybody. It was the logical step the management had to undertake, because I assume

a) that main pressure came from financial institutions as they didn't want that the public should be aware of such opportunities. Here must be found reason of all the delays of cash and VAT withdrawals, etc., and

b) that the banking community itself put pressure on their regulating bodies, who are Central banks, to stop the "P-System" in the public.

Finally let me indicate as follows:

1) Don't start to establish Pools of funds for the 3% programme. According to any new ruling about money laundering worldwide, pooling of funds is prohibited and must be reported immediately by regulated entities.

2) As far as I'm aware of, programme manager of opportunities where the 3% programme should operate in do not tolerate pooled funds at all. Further pooling funds of members and generate earnings within the traditional "P-System" could be interpreted by regulators as money laundering.

3) If all members believe in the "P-System" and favourable for its longer existance, you must put in place strict guidelines and procedures where every participant must adhere to. This must also include any members violating the "P-System" publicly by reporting name and evidence of event to the management to ban them from any further membership.

THIS IS THE DUTY OF ALL MEMBERS AND THE MINIMUM SUPPORT THAT MUST BE GIVEN TO THE SYSTEM AND ITS MANAGEMENT.

Regards
raharni


they make your proper commentaries

For me it's EXCELENT POST.

Tonipinto

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another fantastic intervention,

raharni wrote:
Sorry people but I have to inferfere this time as I see people arguing due to lack of willingness to understand problems occured.

1) Don't speculate about investment techniques and in which areas the management would invest and what margin level they would use. You are wrong because you don't understand banking. Go months back and you'll see that only 0.2% of returns to "P" lenders originate from volatile markets.

2) Take the time to analyze how all operations have been structured and start to look at all different incomestreams and all established profitcenters. That's the only one what you'll see and understand.

3) Let me tell you that banks only take you for serious if you can play with USD 100 m (+). "P" ranks at this level to join secured riskless operations the public will never know about it.

4) How many times during past months you could find warnings from the management to stop calling VAT, UN foundation and banks by members ? More than 6 months ago.

5) Go back and look at the records when first HSBC pulled out ? when afterwards other banks pulled out ? Why, because of public exposure what could damage their reputation.

MOST OF THE PROBLEMS THE MANAGEMENT TODAY IS FACED WITH ARE DUE TO MEMBER'S UNQUALIFIED APPROACHES TO INSTITUTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH "P", DUE TO GREEDNESS OF MEMBERS PROMOTING THE SYSTEM EVERYWHERE TO COLLECT MORE AND DUE TO THEIR NAIVETY BEING INVOLVED IN AREAS THEY NEVER SHOULD BECOME INVOLVED AS THEY DON'T HAVE THE REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE AND CHARACTER TO BENFIT FROM SUCH EFFORTS.

All damages caused to the system by members incorporates a cycle of at least 8 months. Experiencing all this I would have closed the Forums long time ago, because attacks by members never stopped.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO REESTABLISH FAITH AND CREDIBILITY WITH FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ? FEW WEEKS AGO I GUESSED THAT THE TIMEFRAME RELEASED BY THE MANAGEMENT WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT TO REPAIR ALL DAMAGES CAUSED. BELIEVE OR NOT "P" FULLY DEPENDS ON THE BANKS GOODWILL TO RELEASE FUNDS TO ITS MEMBERS. THEREFORE IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER WHILE TO GET THE BUSINESS MOVING. IF THE VISIONARY "P" BUSINESS WOULDN'T BE LINKED TO A RELIABLE SOURCE OF HUMANITARIAN AID, IT WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED MONTHS AGO DUE TO THE TREMENDOUS EXPOSURE OF ALL SERVICING FIRMS BEING INVOLVED WITH.

START THINKING BEFORE YOU ACT OR SPECULATE. BEFORE YOU QUESTION SOMEBODY ELSE ABILITY, LOOK AT YOUR OWN ABILITY TO INTERACT WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY.

I experienced in the past that normal, reputable and honoured human being did loose very fast their countenance of fairplay related to money business. Fair enough that the same starts to get rolling here again.

raharni
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So THERE is the cause of all our frustrations - ignorant actions by members!

M.

Yes, that is what Bryan has been saying all along. Some very ignorant and petulant members have put us all in jeopardy with the foolishness. Now, we will have to see if we can recover.

Hoping,
hzchoice

hummmm
I remember reading all of those before 8) but it was nice to see them again